OBAMA: BEST PREZ SINCE FDR? Topic

It just tied up the capital. There was artificial forces keeping the rates low.

It also prevented the government from doing anything else. A series of small plans could have had some short term impact. It was a bad idea but had some potential.

5/20/2012 12:00 AM
If capital was truly tied up, interest rates would have spiked like they did during wall st meltdown in 08. But they didn't because there was plenty of capital being underutilized.
5/20/2012 3:10 PM
So, just to review, the Federal government taking a trillion dollars out of the system is never a problem as long as you can find some stat that you can use to claim it doesnt matter?
5/20/2012 3:51 PM
YES
5/20/2012 3:53 PM
Posted by swamphawk22 on 5/20/2012 3:51:00 PM (view original):
So, just to review, the Federal government taking a trillion dollars out of the system is never a problem as long as you can find some stat that you can use to claim it doesnt matter?
There's the fault in your premise. The gov didn't take a trillion out of the economy. It took a trillion dollars out of bank accounts where it was literally sitting idle. It wasn't a case of "gov takes $ that would have been put to better use." It was "gov uses $ that wouldn't have been put to use at all."
5/20/2012 4:05 PM
There is the flaw in your premise.

That money would have been used...if we allowed the market forces to fix the economy.

Since we didnt when the time came to get going the Obama administration had gummed up the works.

And them if that wasnt enough Obamacare comes along to make sure no one will get things going.
5/20/2012 4:14 PM
OMG...hope obama doesn't arrest me for using OMG and insulting anyone......leave this guy alone, he is nothing but a left wing troll obama has paid to get his message out in as many places as possible.  Typical of this campainer in chief to even ruin WIS.
5/20/2012 4:57 PM
What's the yield on a ten year treasury? Adjusted for inflation, zero or slightly negative.

The stimulus didn't take the money by force. The fed offered bonds with a yield of nothing or next to nothing. Investors who are considering putting their money into investments that return nothing aren't considering what other kinds of investments? Anything with any risk at all. Treasury bills compete with savings accounts and CDs.
5/20/2012 4:58 PM
That's following the company line.......when found out, first ignore, when that does't work, attack.........waiting for the attack.
5/20/2012 7:37 PM
Posted by jrd_x on 5/20/2012 4:58:00 PM (view original):
What's the yield on a ten year treasury? Adjusted for inflation, zero or slightly negative.

The stimulus didn't take the money by force. The fed offered bonds with a yield of nothing or next to nothing. Investors who are considering putting their money into investments that return nothing aren't considering what other kinds of investments? Anything with any risk at all. Treasury bills compete with savings accounts and CDs.
So according to you the business men decided to take a loss and sit on their money because the collapse was so huge the only thing they could do was wait for the government to save them?

Does that sound logical to you?

Is that what Trump would do?
5/21/2012 12:26 PM
I'm saying that the people who bought treasury bonds weren't going to invest that money elsewhere. It was going to sit in a savings account or a CD.
5/21/2012 12:29 PM
The decision to do the stimulus came before the actual selling of the bonds.

The market was already corrupted. All decisions afterwards were based on a post stimulus enviroment.
5/21/2012 1:33 PM
Posted by swamphawk22 on 5/21/2012 1:33:00 PM (view original):
The decision to do the stimulus came before the actual selling of the bonds.

The market was already corrupted. All decisions afterwards were based on a post stimulus enviroment.
You'll have to explain this point further, I'm not clear on what you mean.
5/21/2012 1:35 PM
How about talking about the fact that there has not been a constitutionaly mandated budget put forth by this joke in over 1200 days.  Or the fact that he has added more debt than all of the other pres. combined.  Or that in 2004 he was warned by Bush that fannie and freddie were going dowm and he and his buddies Barney and Dodd said all was fine, took their 15 Mil in bonuses and let the housing market crash, on purpose and on schedule.
5/22/2012 10:17 AM (edited)
Posted by crackatoeha on 5/22/2012 10:17:00 AM (view original):
How about talking about the fact that there has not been a constitutionaly mandated budget put forth by this joke in over 1200 days.  Or the fact that he has added more debt than all of the other pres. combined.  Or that in 2004 he was warned by Bush that fannie and freddie were going dowm and he and his buddies Barney and Dodd said all was fine, took their 15 Mil in bonuses and let the housing market crash, on purpose and on schedule.
That is quite a paragraph.

So the president is responsible for legislating a budget?

In 2004, the current president knew enough to warn a senator about fannie and freddie, but not enough to actually do anything about it himself over the next four years?

You do know that the collapse happened before obama became president right?


5/22/2012 11:25 AM
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