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anybody see the changes? is it in a different section, like HBD? or is it maybe that be nice to your fellow players and dont threaten them part? i dont really recall that part, but i also wouldnt have really focused on it.

There are a lot of changes. There didn't even use to be separate sections for different games.  I'm not sure how I feel about this bit:

Discussing the pursuit of a recruit with another coach, including who is pursuing him and money that might have been spent.

Can't we see who's pursuing the guy from the considering list anyway?  And why can't we tell one another we plan to go after a recruit?  I mean I can see the money bit, and I'm not saying it's ok or even smart to discuss it in great detail.  But is this removing the prerogative for playful banter on the Coaches' Corners?

Why would you want to schedule a game against yourself...doesn't seem to make sense.

Posted by dahsdebater on 7/2/2012 6:03:00 PM (view original):
There are a lot of changes. There didn't even use to be separate sections for different games.  I'm not sure how I feel about this bit:

Discussing the pursuit of a recruit with another coach, including who is pursuing him and money that might have been spent.

Can't we see who's pursuing the guy from the considering list anyway?  And why can't we tell one another we plan to go after a recruit?  I mean I can see the money bit, and I'm not saying it's ok or even smart to discuss it in great detail.  But is this removing the prerogative for playful banter on the Coaches' Corners?

Telling someone who you are going after serves only to dissaude someone else from going after the same player.  Seems improper to me.

And you can't see who is pursuing, only who is considering. The distinction is meaningful in the context above, where you would be talking about pursuing a player who no one else knows you are pursuing.

I don't think the rule prohibits (or would be interpreted as prohibiting) talking **** to the rival coach who the recruit is also already considering.

I wonder if brazenly acting like a rebel gets you on probation out the gate lol...looks like WIS got some duct tape for me ;)

Does this mean we cant discuss recruiting after recruiting has ended? 

Posted by bscoresby on 7/2/2012 7:07:00 PM (view original):
Does this mean we cant discuss recruiting after recruiting has ended? 

i dont think so. everything ive ever read, from new admin and old, suggests they don't want to hamper the learning process. i think after the fact discussions are allowed, provided no provisions for how to handle future encounters between two schools are included (or anything like that). 

also, the wording there talks in the current tense - the pursuit cannot be discussed, like who a player is pursuing... although they do mention, money that might have been spent. but i think they are talking about, during the active pursuit, you cannot disclose your prior actions. outside of an active pursuit (meaning after recruiting is over, or both schools are clearly finished), i think discussions are totally allowed.

id be curious to know seble's stance on the following though - by the wording provided, you can't discuss a recruiting situation with a coach who is not involved, at least not while its active. i think in a mentor, mentee relationship, this should be allowed, and i suspect WIS was not trying to make that against the rules. but by the wording, it seems against the rules to me.

gill, that last issue is the first thing I noticed. A few seasons ago one of my mentees was in his first D I season. In a world where I also had a D I team (although he was in the northeast and I was in the deep south). Working in connection with him, but with lots of input and direction from me, we more or less jointly recruited his first class. I did not share FSS data with him from the south, and he did not recruit out of the basic NE region, while I did not recruit outside of the south (I rarely ventured into the NE area from my southern teams - not really productive...) I'm guessing this would be against the rules? (Hell, maybe some people will say it always was...)
I don't feel that we violated the spirit of the rules, which are meant to foster fairplay and competition. While we did schedule each other for the next few seasons til one of us moved on I don't see that as being a problem. He learned a ton from that experience and went on to recruit his own class (with some Q&A from me, but not the high involvement of the previous season) next time.

So is this kind of thing ok?

Based on my understanding from reading this, I would think that even posting on the forums looking for help on recruiting would be considered against the rules. Your thought was my first thought as well upon reading this, dacj501. I talked to a mentor I had a couple seasons ago about recruiting, and his thoughts on potential recruits. He was not in my world, but according to this, this example of correspondence would be considered against the rules. I did notice they added the line in there about throwing a game. Seems that Seble read a recent "hot topic" here on the forums...

Posted by gillispie1 on 7/2/2012 7:26:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bscoresby on 7/2/2012 7:07:00 PM (view original):
Does this mean we cant discuss recruiting after recruiting has ended? 

i dont think so. everything ive ever read, from new admin and old, suggests they don't want to hamper the learning process. i think after the fact discussions are allowed, provided no provisions for how to handle future encounters between two schools are included (or anything like that). 

also, the wording there talks in the current tense - the pursuit cannot be discussed, like who a player is pursuing... although they do mention, money that might have been spent. but i think they are talking about, during the active pursuit, you cannot disclose your prior actions. outside of an active pursuit (meaning after recruiting is over, or both schools are clearly finished), i think discussions are totally allowed.

id be curious to know seble's stance on the following though - by the wording provided, you can't discuss a recruiting situation with a coach who is not involved, at least not while its active. i think in a mentor, mentee relationship, this should be allowed, and i suspect WIS was not trying to make that against the rules. but by the wording, it seems against the rules to me.

+1

Helping someone recruit in a mentor/mentee relationship should not in any way be impacted here.  I am sure that they are talking about agreements between 2 (or more) coaches and normal recruiting.

Now in the mentor/mentee relationship, if you are helping a new coach on their first couple of recruiting tries, then that should be fine.  If you have been doing it for 3 calendar years for the guy, well then maybe you should stop :)

But during the first season or two for a newbie mentee on every new Division when he gets there, to show/tell him how to recruit should be just fine ... so long as you are not using his FSS data for your team and giving him your FSS data, etc.

Posted by colonels19 on 7/2/2012 6:10:00 PM (view original):
Why would you want to schedule a game against yourself...doesn't seem to make sense.

i know a coach that did this every season. easy win for the better of the two teams...not sure about any other benefit.

Posted by jtt8355 on 7/5/2012 10:31:00 AM (view original):

Posted by colonels19 on 7/2/2012 6:10:00 PM (view original):
Why would you want to schedule a game against yourself...doesn't seem to make sense.

i know a coach that did this every season. easy win for the better of the two teams...not sure about any other benefit.

i think its 100% for fun. most good coaches would agree, if you had 2 teams, a win and a loss would NOT be in your best interest. i personally see only 1 issue, which is the potential to put a very edge case setup in place with 1 team, to learn with the other, but at 1 game a season - good luck! i don't think that is what CS was after, either. i think they just know some coaches find it shady. but i also don't think those are coaches who have really thought through playing with both teams... ive never noticed anyone NOT try on both teams when they played themselves, so i don't think there is a padding for the better team going on, just something fun to do for some coaches. ive never played myself in the regular season but i have in the NT, and i can tell you, i was quite sad to be doing so. i mean its cool but 50% is not a mark i generally shoot for...   :)

Posted by dacj501 on 7/2/2012 8:06:00 PM (view original):
gill, that last issue is the first thing I noticed. A few seasons ago one of my mentees was in his first D I season. In a world where I also had a D I team (although he was in the northeast and I was in the deep south). Working in connection with him, but with lots of input and direction from me, we more or less jointly recruited his first class. I did not share FSS data with him from the south, and he did not recruit out of the basic NE region, while I did not recruit outside of the south (I rarely ventured into the NE area from my southern teams - not really productive...) I'm guessing this would be against the rules? (Hell, maybe some people will say it always was...)
I don't feel that we violated the spirit of the rules, which are meant to foster fairplay and competition. While we did schedule each other for the next few seasons til one of us moved on I don't see that as being a problem. He learned a ton from that experience and went on to recruit his own class (with some Q&A from me, but not the high involvement of the previous season) next time.

So is this kind of thing ok?

posed the ? to CS:

7/4/2012 11:54 AM

Customer Support

Darryl, In the case of recruiting, try to stick with generalizations and high level advice, but what you're describing is unlikely to cross the line. We obviously don't want to discourage mentoring of newer coaches in any way. We're not out to punish anyone, so it really comes down to common sense. The fair play guidelines were updated to give some examples of the types of actions that can cross the line, but there is always a gray area. If someone complains we'll use our best judgement to be fair based on the specific circumstances.