Preseason and fatigue Topic

MikeT23
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I play the hell out of my prospects.  Some get in excess of 60 AB.  I don't care it they're fatigued during the minor league season.   That's why there are "inactive" lists.
8/2/2012 10:44 AM
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Posted by squarepeg on 8/2/2012 10:41:00 AM (view original):
In terms of prospect development, I know that the more ABs the get the more they develop (all other things like make-up aside). Is it advisable to play your best prospects a lot in Spring Training? Other than injury issues and possibly becoming more fatigued later down the road if they are positional players, is there any reason not to do this? Do Spring Training ABs have less of an impact on prospect development than in-season ones? I've always played my ML positional starters for 3-5 games and given my starting 5 a single start and then brought in my prospects just to see how they do against ML-ish talent and to help development.
At-bats are at-bats.  Play the sh*t out of your prospects.
8/2/2012 10:46 AM
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Does not playing at 100% energy have an effect on prospect development? Does playing a prospect at say 88% only run the risk of them getting injured? Are 500AB's at 98-100% better than 600 at 80-85%?  
8/2/2012 10:59 AM
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Inactive list.
8/2/2012 11:13 AM
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The 600 are better. Except he might not get there if he's hurt from playing fatigued.
8/2/2012 11:14 AM
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Interesting, it's sort of risk/reward in that sense then. I'm curious as to how much 50-10 more AB's really help development. I may have been treating my prospects to nicely so far in my HBD career. I need to take a page out of the Chinese Olympic team handbook - rest is for the weak.
8/2/2012 11:21 AM
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It depends on how you feel about development.  I think more AB/IP are good.    I used to set "goals" for position players, 1500 minor league AB before BL action, as I felt 3 1/2 regular seasons(which would be about 1500 AB) were necessary.   Getting some of those in ST and the minor league playoffs would make him available for BL action earlier. 

8/2/2012 12:34 PM
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UPDATE:  We are getting close to seeing previous seasons pitch totals and we are at game 126.  I *ALMOST* haven't touched my rotation and everyone is cruising along great.  Right now 4 of my pitchers are at 100% and the fifth is the guy that just threw.

Player G GS QS IR IRS IBB HBP WP BK GIDP GB/
FB		 BB/
9		 SO/
9		 SO/
BB		 ERC BFP NP NP/
G		 NP/
PA
Carlos Olivares 5 5 3 0 0 0 0 1 0 4 1.46 4.45 8.31 1.87 0.00 135 508 102 3.76
Courtney Guerrero 4 4 4 0 0 0 1 1 0 6 0.97 3.21 4.18 1.30 0.00 114 406 102 3.56
Mel Pall 5 5 2 0 0 0 1 1 0 3 0.96 4.21 5.96 1.42 0.00 111 402 80 3.62
John Takahashi 4 4 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 1.43 1.80 6.30 3.50 0.00 105 378 95 3.60

Carlos Olivares 26 26 21 0 0 0 5 4 0 22 1.47 3.08 6.31 2.05 0.00 799 2893 111 3.62
Jason Weaver 25 25 17 0 0 0 4 1 2 20 1.20 2.20 5.64 2.57 0.00 748 2689 108 3.59
Courtney Guerrero 25 25 19 0 0 0 7 5 0 23 1.47 3.47 6.51 1.88 0.00 723 2589 104 3.58
John Takahashi 25 25 17 0 0 0 3 3 0 13 1.07 2.59 6.06 2.34 0.00 632 2299 92 3.64
Mel Pall 24 24 9 0 0 0 6 2 0 10 1.31 3.52 6.82 1.94 0.00 547 2025 84 3.70
8/21/2012 10:07 AM (edited)
bigal888
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The top table is from spring training.
8/21/2012 9:41 AM
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and last year for reference

Player G GS QS IR IRS IBB HBP WP BK GIDP GB/
FB		 BB/
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9		 SO/
BB		 ERC BFP NP NP/
G		 NP/
PA
Jason Weaver 32 32 21 0 0 0 10 1 0 20 1.10 3.03 5.69 1.88 0.00 964 3540 111 3.67
Courtney Guerrero 32 32 24 0 0 0 13 1 2 26 1.43 2.33 6.16 2.64 0.00 885 3247 101 3.67
Carlos Olivares 28 28 21 0 0 1 4 2 0 21 1.48 2.87 7.48 2.60 0.00 817 3126 112 3.83
John Takahashi 32 32 22 0 0 0 4 1 1 19 1.16 2.49 6.07 2.44 0.00 821 3020 94 3.68
Mel Pall 31 31 17 0 0 0 7 3 0 16 1.54 3.60 7.31 2.03 0.00 708 2607 84 3.68
8/21/2012 9:42 AM
bigal888
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I still don't think Spring training affects the total number of pitches that can be thrown in a season.
8/21/2012 9:45 AM
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Why does Pall have two less starts than Olivares if you haven't touched your rotation?
8/21/2012 9:47 AM
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He's the starter of this next game.  So it is just one start.  I guess I shuffled him once in order to keep him at 100%.  I edited it for you.
8/21/2012 10:07 AM
bigal888
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I had Olivares start one game in his place.  I believe all I did was skip his spot in the rotation.
8/21/2012 10:09 AM
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Have you tracked their recovery rate per start from the beginning of the season to this point of the season?

Some have said that fatigue recovery slows down as the season progresses.  I challenge that.  Would like to see some numbers if you have them.
8/21/2012 10:10 AM
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