Posted by professor17 on 10/9/2012 8:39:00 AM (view original):
This happened to me once, many moons ago when I was at OK State in Phelan. The coach at (I think) Arkansas jumped on 3 of my recruits the last day (I think I had 5 openings). I know exactly what he was thinking. He wasn't expecting to get all three. It was a strategic move on his part, hoping to force me to spread out resources among the 3 players, so I'd have to pick and choose which one(s) I really wanted.

At DII and DIII it seems to me there are usually plenty of recruits to go around, even talented ones. You can often find similar players to replace ones you lose or are tied up by other human coaches.

That being said, it's POSSIBLE the guy is telling the truth about being on players from the start, even if they didn't show they were considering him. I've been interested in players and put some cash into them (not pull downs) and they won't be considering me. If life gets in the way and I don't recruit at all for a day or so, then my DII recruits are considered by someone at DIII but I want them, I'm going to fight for them the same as he was doing.

I honestly think pull downs are too easy in HD anyway. If the player is a legitimate DII talent, he should want to go to just about any DII school before ever considering a DIII team. Yet all the time there are battles between divisions like this one, which shouldn't even be much of a battle (no offense chapel).

Sure, maybe a few guys could be the exception and would rather be "big fish in a small poind", but the rule should be a player would rather ride the pine at a higher level than drop down.

Either that, or WIS needs to reevaluate what it considers to be each level and assign players more accordingly - meaning, instead of pulling people down, the vast majority of recruits would only stay within their divisions, and drop downs would be an every now and then thing if they couldn't get any attention at all at their level.

Posted by bistiza on 10/9/2012 10:14:00 AM (view original):

At DII and DIII it seems to me there are usually plenty of recruits to go around, even talented ones. You can often find similar players to replace ones you lose or are tied up by other human coaches.

That being said, it's POSSIBLE the guy is telling the truth about being on players from the start, even if they didn't show they were considering him. I've been interested in players and put some cash into them (not pull downs) and they won't be considering me. If life gets in the way and I don't recruit at all for a day or so, then my DII recruits are considered by someone at DIII but I want them, I'm going to fight for them the same as he was doing.

I honestly think pull downs are too easy in HD anyway. If the player is a legitimate DII talent, he should want to go to just about any DII school before ever considering a DIII team. Yet all the time there are battles between divisions like this one, which shouldn't even be much of a battle (no offense chapel).

Sure, maybe a few guys could be the exception and would rather be "big fish in a small poind", but the rule should be a player would rather ride the pine at a higher level than drop down.

Either that, or WIS needs to reevaluate what it considers to be each level and assign players more accordingly - meaning, instead of pulling people down, the vast majority of recruits would only stay within their divisions, and drop downs would be an every now and then thing if they couldn't get any attention at all at their level.

Posted by chapelhillne on 10/9/2012 10:18:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bistiza on 10/9/2012 10:14:00 AM (view original):

At DII and DIII it seems to me there are usually plenty of recruits to go around, even talented ones. You can often find similar players to replace ones you lose or are tied up by other human coaches.

That being said, it's POSSIBLE the guy is telling the truth about being on players from the start, even if they didn't show they were considering him. I've been interested in players and put some cash into them (not pull downs) and they won't be considering me. If life gets in the way and I don't recruit at all for a day or so, then my DII recruits are considered by someone at DIII but I want them, I'm going to fight for them the same as he was doing.

I honestly think pull downs are too easy in HD anyway. If the player is a legitimate DII talent, he should want to go to just about any DII school before ever considering a DIII team. Yet all the time there are battles between divisions like this one, which shouldn't even be much of a battle (no offense chapel).

Sure, maybe a few guys could be the exception and would rather be "big fish in a small poind", but the rule should be a player would rather ride the pine at a higher level than drop down.

Either that, or WIS needs to reevaluate what it considers to be each level and assign players more accordingly - meaning, instead of pulling people down, the vast majority of recruits would only stay within their divisions, and drop downs would be an every now and then thing if they couldn't get any attention at all at their level.

I agree for the most part, except in this case our Palm Beach Atlantic team has made the final 4 in 9 of the last 11 years and won 4 national Championships including one last year. The Florida Tech team is coming off of a 0-27 season, so I'm thinking that our team would be more desirable in real life.

Isn't that kind of the point?

Everyone is upset about the D2/D3 thing, but it's pretty clear you recruit better players at D3 than most people do at D2.  So you're recruiting D2-caliber players.  I think it's probably a dick move and would be ******, but I'm not sure why it's "unethical" or even wrong.  Just more stupid than anything else.