honestly, you seem to be convinced that 'elite' doesn't exist...so going with that thinking, OK he's not elite
No, elite very much does exist. There are several QBs I would consider elite in the NFL right now, including Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, and Drew Brees among possible others.
However, the gap between those guys and Brady is HUGE. In fact, if we include Brady in that group, there are about ten other guys who are better than him that should be there too.
Brady is above average when he's at his best but doesn't make plays anywhere near the level of the guys I just mentioned.
however, whether the talent around him carried him or he is the luckiest human on the planet, his numbers at QB dwarf nearly every QB to play in his era....which locks him up a spot in Canton whether you like him or not
He's been carried into the HOF on the backs of team mates and he doesn't deserve it. That's the biggest among MANY reasons why he's the most over rated player in NFL history.
So now their coaching leads to wins? You told me BB was overrated.
The two are completely separate statements.
The first one still stands - Belicheat IS over rated. If he was as good as his hype, he'd have won SBs in Cleveland, and he didn't.
The second one was merely me responding to someone else's assertion that coaching wins them games and was in no way me making my own statement.
I showed you visual evidence of Brady fitting the ball down the field into tight spaces. 8 minutes worth. Everyone is not always wide open.
I didn't watch it, so I have no idea what you showed. If I get a chance later I may view it, but I make no promises.
You still haven't shown me the weapons that carried Brady to 3 Super Bowl wins.
The defense is one weapon. The offensive line is another. Receivers who play well within the system is a third. I'll stick with those three for now.