One big issue is when you get fired, its near impossile to stay in D1.

If a coach got fired form Kentucky he should still be able to get a DECENT job. They'd need to overhaul the job process as well.
4/11/2014 10:07 PM
Posted by tannermcc on 4/11/2014 10:07:00 PM (view original):
One big issue is when you get fired, its near impossile to stay in D1.

If a coach got fired form Kentucky he should still be able to get a DECENT job. They'd need to overhaul the job process as well.
agreed, its not an isolated change
4/11/2014 11:26 PM
Posted by mullycj on 4/11/2014 3:21:00 PM (view original):
Sounds like socialism combined with everyone gets a ribbon for participating mentality.

WIS is extremely short sighted on this.  They don't understand that while they may lose 1 disgruntled customer who gets fired,  they are already losing 2-3 disgruntled customers who can't find any open Big 6 jobs.



Who can't find open Big-6 jobs?  I just checked the 6 worlds I'm in with this ID and every one of them has at least 5 BCS openings, going up to as many as 12 in one world.  

I'm not saying that firings aren't a place that WIS could improve - they certainly can.  But saying that people are blocked from getting into BCS schools just isn't the case.



4/12/2014 7:12 AM
Yes that is true acn.   But firings would certainly cause alot move movement both within DI and from DII to DI
4/12/2014 11:50 AM
one of the problems with the hiring process is that very few can QUALIFY for a BCS team. I think part of this goes to the reason that the BCS sub .500 teams get to go the the PIT while mid majors that get upset in the conference tourney get to sit at home without value being added to their resume for the post season appearance. It also keeps the sub-standard BCS coach in their job, so it is a two-headed monster. I have a fairly decent record at Cleveland State (Allen), but I have been unable to qualify for any BCS school. The last batch of BCS school hirings were coaches that had been out of the game for a while just waltzing in to take over BCS teams while mid major teams like myself are being frozen out of any advancement. This is not isolated. Many of my former WCC mates in Allen experienced the same thing.
4/18/2014 3:26 PM
I think the underlying problem there is that PIT appearances save Big 6 teams' jobs. If a person gets there every season I can live with that. When a guy is able to ride along because he makes it every 4 seasons or so, it's a bad process

I'm not in Allen so I don't know of the issues there. Your resume should get you whatever low prestige BCS jobs are out there. Everyone goes through the process of taking a non-BCS school to success, in order get a BCS job. There's a very rare occurrence of a highly successful DII coach getting a low BCS job. So I don't think people qualifying is an issue.

As far as qualifying for the PIT, there's ideas out there to make it so you must finish .500 or above to qualify. I've been against that, but when I see a 9 win team make it in, I don't like it. I do like the idea of if you when your regular season conference championship you automatically qualify for the PIT if you don't win the CT. For clarification that would only be 1 team per conference winning their conference championship. So if two schools finished conference play 12-4 in opposite divisions (North/South, East/West), whoever won the H2H between them gets the bid.

I looked at 1 world (small sample size alert) a while back to see the effect it would have, and it would result in 3 different teams making the PIT, and knocking out two BCS schools and 1 midmajor school. Non of those were sub .500 schools.
4/18/2014 5:26 PM
I agree with your perception of the underlying problem. I was not qualified for ANY of the BCS jobs as well as Gonzaga. The hiring (and firing) logic is broken and it does not look like it will ever be fixed because the boys obviously have stopped spending money to improve this game (which is why worlds are emptying out).
4/19/2014 12:11 PM
Lesser credentials should be available to fill empty "Big Six or BCS" jobs...AS LONG AS there is a three season or less firing window attached.  The Baseline of those Conferences should be made so every year they are ALL full of human Coaches and NEVER empty.

But just as in the RL, you fail at that level and only have decent credentials, you get the hook REAL Quick!
4/19/2014 5:24 PM
Been a long time, but here's a firing in Rupp.

Missouri-KC

Season Coach Overall
W-L
Home
W-L
Road
W-L
Neutral
W-L
Conf
W-L
Rank RPI SOS Prestige Notes
75 ell3 3-24 2-15 1-8 0-1 2-14   320 298 D-  
74 ell3 8-19 7-10 1-8 0-1 4-12   276 184 D-  
73 ell3 8-19 7-11 1-7 0-1 3-13   283 203 D  
72 ell3 11-17 7-9 3-7 1-1 7-9   234 198 D  
71 ell3 11-17 9-7 1-9 1-1 3-13   220 155 D  
70 ell3 17-11 12-3 4-7 1-1 6-10   150 207 D  
69 ell3 13-14 11-7 2-6 0-1 3-13   255 287 D-  
68 ell3 10-17 5-10 5-6 0-1 6-10   277 303 D-  
67 ell3 13-15 9-6 3-8 1-1 6-10   228 236 D  
66 ell3 16-11 13-5 3-5 0-1 8-8   194 245 D  
65 ell3 12-16 8-5 3-10 1-1 9-7   231 233 D-  
9/15/2014 4:57 AM
I'd have to agree that the logic between who is "qualified" for a BCS job or even a D1 job is rough. I'm not saying I'm qualified but in my mind a SIM coach is like an "Interim" coach and how many Interim coaches keep there jobs at D1 basketball programs? I figure any atheltic director would take a D2 Post-season coach over a D1 interim coach anyday of the week... Does that resignate guranteed future success? Maybe not but it opens more doors and then if the firing is re-tooled then we can create more movement. If a coach does get fired then they shouldn't be locked out of a division, they should have to start over at a smaller/weaker school and earn a big time spot back.

I know when I make the D1 jump I'm going to struggle but at the end of the day I think it takes too long to get there in retrospective and it leaves me little hope to ever get a job at the big time schools I want to coach at because no one gets fired. So it becomes a double negative, 1st you have to wait forever to get into D1 2nd you are probably never going to coach at any of your top 3 choices no matter how good you become in the long run... I'll also preface that I purposefully tried to not cherry-pick my D2 programs and agree I could speed up my path to D1 but I need to learn this game so I chose mixed builds on some of my schools.

TLDR: It takes too long to get to D1 and its discouraging to even go for it when the jobs you want may never open up.
9/15/2014 12:26 PM
Posted by stinenavy on 9/15/2014 4:57:00 AM (view original):
Been a long time, but here's a firing in Rupp.

Missouri-KC

Season Coach Overall
W-L
Home
W-L
Road
W-L
Neutral
W-L
Conf
W-L
Rank RPI SOS Prestige Notes
75 ell3 3-24 2-15 1-8 0-1 2-14   320 298 D-  
74 ell3 8-19 7-10 1-8 0-1 4-12   276 184 D-  
73 ell3 8-19 7-11 1-7 0-1 3-13   283 203 D  
72 ell3 11-17 7-9 3-7 1-1 7-9   234 198 D  
71 ell3 11-17 9-7 1-9 1-1 3-13   220 155 D  
70 ell3 17-11 12-3 4-7 1-1 6-10   150 207 D  
69 ell3 13-14 11-7 2-6 0-1 3-13   255 287 D-  
68 ell3 10-17 5-10 5-6 0-1 6-10   277 303 D-  
67 ell3 13-15 9-6 3-8 1-1 6-10   228 236 D  
66 ell3 16-11 13-5 3-5 0-1 8-8   194 245 D  
65 ell3 12-16 8-5 3-10 1-1 9-7   231 233 D-  
After which season do you think this coach got the "in jeopardy" message?
9/15/2014 1:23 PM
Two firings in Phelan.

Bowling Green
78 natchamp175 1-26 1-12 0-13 0-1 1-15   322 252 D-  
77 natchamp175 0-27 0-13 0-13 0-1 0-16   324 315 D-  
76 natchamp175 7-20 5-8 2-11 0-1 5-11   296 291 D  
75 natchamp175 20-8 8-5 11-2 1-1 11-5   111 229 D  
74 natchamp175 7-20 2-11 5-8 0-1 4-12   277 242 D-  
73 natchamp175 8-19 4-9 4-9 0-1 4-12   294 306 D-  

San Francisco

78 Daggers 9-18 7-6 2-11 0-1 8-8   255 215 D-  
77 Daggers 9-19 4-9 4-9 1-1 7-9   259 244 D-  
76 Daggers 8-20 5-8 2-11 1-1 6-10   249 153 D-  
75 Daggers 11-16 8-7 3-8 0-1 6-10   242 232 D-  
74 Daggers 13-14 8-5 5-8 0-1 9-7   219 281 D-  
73 Daggers 12-15 6-7 6-7 0-1 7-9   272 322 D-  
72 Daggers 4-23 2-12 2-10 0-1 4-12   271 111 D  
71 Daggers 12-16 4-10 7-5 1-1 8-8   198 177 D  
1/11/2015 8:26 PM
Natchamp getting fired is pretty shocking based upon what we've seen in the past.
1/11/2015 9:01 PM
really wish they would improve the firing process with this game... as in fire people more. just not very realistic, imo.
1/26/2015 7:48 PM
Posted by stinenavy on 1/11/2015 8:26:00 PM (view original):
Two firings in Phelan.

Bowling Green
78 natchamp175 1-26 1-12 0-13 0-1 1-15   322 252 D-  
77 natchamp175 0-27 0-13 0-13 0-1 0-16   324 315 D-  
76 natchamp175 7-20 5-8 2-11 0-1 5-11   296 291 D  
75 natchamp175 20-8 8-5 11-2 1-1 11-5   111 229 D  
74 natchamp175 7-20 2-11 5-8 0-1 4-12   277 242 D-  
73 natchamp175 8-19 4-9 4-9 0-1 4-12   294 306 D-  

San Francisco

78 Daggers 9-18 7-6 2-11 0-1 8-8   255 215 D-  
77 Daggers 9-19 4-9 4-9 1-1 7-9   259 244 D-  
76 Daggers 8-20 5-8 2-11 1-1 6-10   249 153 D-  
75 Daggers 11-16 8-7 3-8 0-1 6-10   242 232 D-  
74 Daggers 13-14 8-5 5-8 0-1 9-7   219 281 D-  
73 Daggers 12-15 6-7 6-7 0-1 7-9   272 322 D-  
72 Daggers 4-23 2-12 2-10 0-1 4-12   271 111 D  
71 Daggers 12-16 4-10 7-5 1-1 8-8   198 177 D  
hey stine, is that natchamp's complete resume? i thought it was impossible to get fired in less than 7 seasons, so that would be a pretty interesting example if you could disprove that notion!

it kills me that the last 3 firings you posted are all these mid majors. coaches at kentucky or north carolina wouldnt get fired any faster for the same performance, its just insane... i personally am fine with mid majors never getting fired, i know some folks want it, but its crazy that these guys get the boot when guys at the BCS jobs dont, for stupid **** like you said, a PIT every 3-4 seasons.
1/27/2015 12:28 PM
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