I am not claiming I know anything about the fatigue model. If CS would post it then I would know something. You are correct that I am noting that I
think performance levels are too high for players who are less than 100% based on evidence I've seen in games. That is why I asked a question in the thread title: "
Is the Fatigue Code Broken in the Sim?"
So far a majority of owners have told me no and I can live with that if that is the answer. But I want to find out why that is the answer when
I think it shouldn't be.
I your RL example, most pitchers are kept to strict pitch counts and only go so many IP. In WIS, you can use them pretty much how you want so long as you don't burn past their pitch limit. Are you requesting that WIS use a Real Life scenario where RP can only be used every other day in relief or SP can only start games? So the way I see it, pitchers fatigue in WIS is working well based on their usage. I have no complaints about pitchers fatigue model.
It's the hitters that bug me. You state that no hitter is yanked out of a game for too many PAs, or even if they are moderately tired by playing 3 weeks straight. In real life, teams have scheduled days off. In WIS they do not. Plus, hitters are pulled from lineups and get off days - very few hitters play all 162 games: Here are all the players to play 162 games in the last 5 years from
www.baseball-reference.com:
It's a little more than 3 players per season who play every game (at least in the modern era - I will grant you that it was more the further you go back in time). So that tells me that off days and rest are being used in real life.
Go to your league leaders and look at games played. Here are the top 25 in games played in 3 of my leagues right now (and all I can see is the top 25 - I bet there are actually more). In your leagues, I bet that you'll have no problem finding 25 guys in your league that have played
EVERY game. Look at that comparison versus real life and tell me that is realistic or the fatigue model is working correctly?
MLB104281 League Leaders (through 44 games) |
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SN |
G |
AB |
R |
H |
2B |
3B |
HR |
RBI |
BB |
SO |
HBP |
SB |
CS |
AVG |
OBP |
SLG |
OPS |
STRK |
L STRK |
1 |
Wolf, Chicken |
1890 |
44 |
193 |
40 |
78 |
11 |
1 |
4 |
26 |
11 |
12 |
1 |
23 |
18 |
.404 |
.439 |
.534 |
.973 |
4 |
22 |
2 |
Louden, Baldy |
1915 |
44 |
153 |
15 |
38 |
3 |
1 |
2 |
24 |
16 |
19 |
1 |
3 |
9 |
.248 |
.324 |
.320 |
.644 |
0 |
6 |
3 |
Garciaparra, Nomar |
1998 |
44 |
180 |
28 |
53 |
3 |
1 |
4 |
34 |
6 |
18 |
0 |
2 |
2 |
.294 |
.316 |
.389 |
.704 |
10 |
10 |
4 |
Ventura, Robin |
1993 |
44 |
169 |
14 |
36 |
5 |
1 |
3 |
20 |
21 |
22 |
2 |
0 |
0 |
.213 |
.304 |
.308 |
.612 |
2 |
6 |
5 |
Durham, Ray |
1998 |
44 |
166 |
22 |
39 |
10 |
2 |
2 |
17 |
23 |
27 |
1 |
15 |
5 |
.235 |
.328 |
.355 |
.684 |
3 |
4 |
6 |
Weaver, Buck |
1920 |
44 |
164 |
22 |
43 |
4 |
1 |
1 |
17 |
8 |
11 |
2 |
4 |
2 |
.262 |
.305 |
.317 |
.622 |
1 |
12 |
7 |
Burns, Oyster |
1889 |
44 |
183 |
23 |
55 |
8 |
2 |
0 |
17 |
25 |
13 |
0 |
10 |
14 |
.301 |
.385 |
.366 |
.751 |
5 |
12 |
8 |
Miller, Doggie |
1895 |
44 |
173 |
15 |
36 |
4 |
0 |
1 |
19 |
8 |
6 |
0 |
4 |
2 |
.208 |
.240 |
.249 |
.489 |
0 |
7 |
9 |
Richardson, Bobby |
1961 |
44 |
155 |
7 |
32 |
3 |
1 |
1 |
10 |
7 |
5 |
2 |
0 |
0 |
.206 |
.250 |
.258 |
.508 |
6 |
7 |
10 |
Stephenson, Riggs |
1929 |
44 |
161 |
18 |
47 |
7 |
1 |
3 |
20 |
25 |
14 |
1 |
1 |
4 |
.292 |
.390 |
.404 |
.794 |
1 |
9 |
11 |
Alexander, Gary |
1978 |
44 |
150 |
16 |
33 |
6 |
0 |
9 |
30 |
11 |
48 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
.220 |
.270 |
.440 |
.710 |
0 |
4 |
12 |
Samuel, Juan |
1986 |
44 |
164 |
18 |
39 |
5 |
1 |
3 |
18 |
7 |
30 |
1 |
19 |
4 |
.238 |
.272 |
.335 |
.607 |
0 |
6 |
13 |
Thomas, Frank |
1958 |
44 |
171 |
16 |
38 |
9 |
0 |
3 |
22 |
7 |
21 |
2 |
0 |
0 |
.222 |
.261 |
.327 |
.589 |
1 |
6 |
14 |
Stephens, Vern |
1942 |
44 |
180 |
17 |
52 |
8 |
2 |
1 |
15 |
11 |
15 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
.289 |
.330 |
.372 |
.702 |
0 |
11 |
15 |
Moses, Wally |
1936 |
44 |
188 |
27 |
46 |
6 |
3 |
1 |
7 |
15 |
15 |
1 |
1 |
0 |
.245 |
.304 |
.324 |
.628 |
5 |
7 |
16 |
Smith, Ozzie |
1991 |
44 |
156 |
24 |
38 |
7 |
0 |
2 |
23 |
23 |
4 |
2 |
3 |
0 |
.244 |
.348 |
.327 |
.675 |
1 |
7 |
17 |
Combs, Earle |
1930 |
44 |
174 |
33 |
61 |
11 |
8 |
0 |
35 |
19 |
13 |
0 |
3 |
2 |
.351 |
.412 |
.506 |
.918 |
0 |
11 |
18 |
Suzuki, Ichiro |
2008 |
44 |
199 |
41 |
63 |
4 |
4 |
0 |
14 |
16 |
14 |
0 |
15 |
2 |
.317 |
.366 |
.377 |
.743 |
2 |
10 |
19 |
Cepeda, Orlando |
1959 |
44 |
195 |
44 |
57 |
13 |
1 |
4 |
35 |
6 |
32 |
4 |
6 |
1 |
.292 |
.324 |
.431 |
.754 |
2 |
6 |
20 |
Collins, Eddie |
1919 |
44 |
183 |
33 |
62 |
8 |
2 |
1 |
25 |
21 |
14 |
1 |
13 |
11 |
.339 |
.410 |
.421 |
.831 |
2 |
14 |
21 |
Kelly, George |
1921 |
44 |
184 |
39 |
61 |
8 |
1 |
16 |
37 |
14 |
29 |
2 |
0 |
0 |
.332 |
.385 |
.647 |
1.032 |
3 |
12 |
22 |
Rose, Pete |
1977 |
44 |
185 |
33 |
59 |
8 |
2 |
3 |
31 |
20 |
12 |
1 |
3 |
0 |
.319 |
.386 |
.432 |
.819 |
1 |
9 |
23 |
Mayo, Eddie |
1947 |
44 |
163 |
15 |
44 |
10 |
0 |
0 |
18 |
6 |
7 |
2 |
0 |
1 |
.270 |
.302 |
.331 |
.634 |
2 |
7 |
24 |
Dark, Alvin |
1957 |
44 |
165 |
18 |
52 |
10 |
2 |
1 |
17 |
6 |
14 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
.315 |
.335 |
.418 |
.753 |
0 |
11 |
25 |
Lemon, Jim |
1959 |
44 |
168 |
33 |
49 |
8 |
2 |
4 |
22 |
14 |
27 |
2 |
0 |
1 |
.292 |
.351 |
.435 |
.786 |
1 |
7 |
MLB104321 League Leaders (through 83 games) |
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SN |
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H |
2B |
3B |
HR |
RBI |
BB |
SO |
HBP |
SB |
CS |
AVG |
OBP |
SLG |
OPS |
STRK |
L STRK |
1 |
Puckett, Kirby |
1987 |
83 |
339 |
64 |
113 |
16 |
2 |
15 |
74 |
21 |
52 |
1 |
12 |
5 |
.333 |
.373 |
.525 |
.898 |
12 |
12 |
2 |
McInnis, Stuffy |
1917 |
83 |
346 |
38 |
108 |
11 |
0 |
3 |
40 |
18 |
13 |
4 |
9 |
15 |
.312 |
.352 |
.370 |
.722 |
3 |
19 |
3 |
Hatcher, Mickey |
1984 |
83 |
346 |
47 |
121 |
17 |
4 |
2 |
40 |
11 |
22 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
.350 |
.369 |
.439 |
.809 |
5 |
19 |
4 |
Powell, Boog |
1969 |
83 |
319 |
51 |
101 |
9 |
0 |
22 |
61 |
51 |
28 |
5 |
0 |
0 |
.317 |
.419 |
.552 |
.970 |
0 |
13 |
5 |
Blake, Casey |
2004 |
83 |
306 |
40 |
74 |
13 |
2 |
9 |
34 |
22 |
71 |
3 |
0 |
1 |
.242 |
.298 |
.386 |
.684 |
0 |
13 |
6 |
Clingman, Billy |
1901 |
83 |
282 |
38 |
76 |
10 |
2 |
4 |
34 |
26 |
14 |
4 |
1 |
5 |
.270 |
.339 |
.362 |
.700 |
1 |
10 |
7 |
Luzinski, Greg |
1972 |
83 |
323 |
43 |
93 |
21 |
2 |
15 |
62 |
20 |
46 |
2 |
0 |
0 |
.288 |
.331 |
.505 |
.836 |
12 |
12 |
8 |
Franco, Julio |
1984 |
83 |
334 |
50 |
102 |
14 |
1 |
1 |
43 |
28 |
35 |
1 |
6 |
2 |
.305 |
.361 |
.362 |
.723 |
0 |
15 |
9 |
Yastrzemski, Carl |
1968 |
83 |
306 |
86 |
115 |
23 |
1 |
13 |
61 |
72 |
43 |
2 |
4 |
3 |
.376 |
.496 |
.585 |
1.081 |
7 |
16 |
10 |
Webster, Mitch |
1987 |
83 |
313 |
60 |
83 |
9 |
3 |
11 |
53 |
43 |
38 |
3 |
16 |
7 |
.265 |
.358 |
.419 |
.777 |
0 |
7 |
11 |
Lind, Adam |
2009 |
83 |
328 |
69 |
113 |
19 |
0 |
15 |
78 |
40 |
48 |
3 |
0 |
0 |
.345 |
.420 |
.540 |
.960 |
1 |
15 |
12 |
Thomson, Bobby |
1953 |
83 |
335 |
51 |
116 |
12 |
5 |
17 |
79 |
33 |
42 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
.346 |
.399 |
.564 |
.964 |
0 |
9 |
13 |
McMillan, Roy |
1954 |
83 |
310 |
32 |
86 |
11 |
0 |
1 |
22 |
23 |
32 |
4 |
1 |
1 |
.277 |
.335 |
.323 |
.658 |
2 |
7 |
14 |
Southworth, Billy |
1921 |
83 |
366 |
61 |
113 |
19 |
3 |
7 |
47 |
31 |
10 |
2 |
12 |
19 |
.309 |
.364 |
.434 |
.799 |
1 |
9 |
15 |
Baines, Harold |
1985 |
83 |
354 |
56 |
114 |
11 |
2 |
11 |
58 |
24 |
48 |
5 |
0 |
0 |
.322 |
.373 |
.458 |
.831 |
5 |
11 |
16 |
Collins, Ripper |
1934 |
83 |
327 |
76 |
125 |
23 |
3 |
18 |
72 |
41 |
29 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
.382 |
.450 |
.636 |
1.086 |
6 |
17 |
17 |
Loretta, Mark |
2003 |
83 |
336 |
47 |
123 |
10 |
3 |
6 |
59 |
25 |
23 |
3 |
1 |
1 |
.366 |
.413 |
.467 |
.880 |
0 |
19 |
18 |
Rice, Sam |
1925 |
83 |
386 |
72 |
131 |
16 |
2 |
1 |
44 |
23 |
9 |
3 |
12 |
9 |
.339 |
.380 |
.399 |
.779 |
0 |
18 |
19 |
Bartell, Dick |
1929 |
83 |
375 |
53 |
112 |
23 |
2 |
0 |
44 |
19 |
24 |
1 |
7 |
0 |
.299 |
.334 |
.371 |
.705 |
4 |
13 |
20 |
Musial, Stan |
1949 |
83 |
314 |
70 |
108 |
25 |
6 |
11 |
65 |
66 |
25 |
0 |
0 |
2 |
.344 |
.457 |
.567 |
1.024 |
7 |
15 |
21 |
Pfeffer, Fred |
1891 |
83 |
326 |
39 |
77 |
7 |
1 |
5 |
26 |
57 |
56 |
0 |
25 |
25 |
.236 |
.350 |
.310 |
.660 |
0 |
13 |
22 |
Byrd, Marlon |
2009 |
83 |
334 |
49 |
98 |
28 |
0 |
8 |
59 |
22 |
54 |
8 |
3 |
1 |
.293 |
.352 |
.449 |
.801 |
0 |
12 |
23 |
Smalley, Roy |
1982 |
83 |
309 |
44 |
75 |
6 |
0 |
15 |
43 |
45 |
46 |
3 |
0 |
0 |
.243 |
.345 |
.408 |
.752 |
0 |
9 |
24 |
Mantle, Mickey |
1958 |
83 |
275 |
74 |
82 |
7 |
1 |
27 |
70 |
97 |
52 |
2 |
11 |
5 |
.298 |
.484 |
.625 |
1.109 |
2 |
12 |
25 |
Pierre, Juan |
2007 |
83 |
369 |
64 |
115 |
14 |
5 |
0 |
32 |
17 |
20 |
3 |
58 |
9 |
.312 |
.347 |
.377 |
.724 |
3 |
10 |
MLB103660 League Leaders (Final standings) |
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SN |
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AB |
R |
H |
2B |
3B |
HR |
RBI |
BB |
SO |
HBP |
SB |
CS |
AVG |
OBP |
SLG |
OPS |
STRK |
L STRK |
1 |
Rose, Pete |
1976 |
162 |
680 |
119 |
231 |
47 |
6 |
13 |
60 |
86 |
57 |
1 |
1 |
1 |
.340 |
.415 |
.484 |
.898 |
2 |
11 |
2 |
Suzuki, Ichiro |
2011 |
162 |
632 |
76 |
166 |
22 |
0 |
4 |
64 |
19 |
56 |
5 |
27 |
10 |
.263 |
.289 |
.316 |
.606 |
2 |
14 |
3 |
Wietelmann, Whitey |
1943 |
162 |
550 |
41 |
110 |
16 |
2 |
0 |
43 |
33 |
56 |
3 |
0 |
0 |
.200 |
.249 |
.236 |
.485 |
0 |
5 |
4 |
Gehringer, Charlie |
1940 |
162 |
614 |
87 |
170 |
28 |
2 |
6 |
63 |
92 |
28 |
4 |
4 |
5 |
.277 |
.373 |
.358 |
.731 |
2 |
8 |
5 |
Howard, Ryan |
2008 |
162 |
648 |
88 |
144 |
16 |
2 |
29 |
104 |
60 |
184 |
2 |
0 |
0 |
.222 |
.289 |
.387 |
.676 |
0 |
10 |
6 |
Tenace, Gene |
1974 |
162 |
490 |
61 |
93 |
16 |
1 |
23 |
84 |
90 |
100 |
6 |
0 |
1 |
.190 |
.320 |
.367 |
.687 |
2 |
6 |
7 |
Millan, Felix |
1970 |
162 |
650 |
78 |
199 |
23 |
3 |
3 |
89 |
21 |
27 |
3 |
4 |
1 |
.306 |
.329 |
.365 |
.694 |
2 |
9 |
8 |
Wills, Maury |
1962 |
162 |
684 |
118 |
210 |
15 |
8 |
7 |
62 |
43 |
47 |
2 |
126 |
18 |
.307 |
.350 |
.383 |
.733 |
4 |
14 |
9 |
Lofton, Kenny |
1996 |
162 |
663 |
114 |
180 |
28 |
4 |
8 |
75 |
37 |
60 |
7 |
76 |
25 |
.271 |
.317 |
.362 |
.679 |
7 |
11 |
10 |
Clemente, Roberto |
1964 |
162 |
681 |
126 |
240 |
52 |
4 |
14 |
123 |
51 |
90 |
1 |
1 |
3 |
.352 |
.396 |
.502 |
.898 |
10 |
24 |
11 |
Jones, Chipper |
2003 |
162 |
626 |
111 |
235 |
36 |
1 |
29 |
125 |
85 |
73 |
0 |
1 |
0 |
.375 |
.448 |
.575 |
1.023 |
1 |
18 |
12 |
Joost, Eddie |
1952 |
162 |
574 |
75 |
132 |
31 |
2 |
15 |
80 |
82 |
121 |
3 |
0 |
0 |
.230 |
.327 |
.369 |
.697 |
1 |
6 |
13 |
Schaal, Paul |
1971 |
162 |
634 |
101 |
172 |
45 |
6 |
15 |
99 |
90 |
54 |
5 |
0 |
2 |
.271 |
.364 |
.432 |
.796 |
3 |
11 |
14 |
Laabs, Chet |
1942 |
162 |
645 |
116 |
177 |
27 |
6 |
42 |
136 |
75 |
142 |
4 |
0 |
0 |
.274 |
.353 |
.530 |
.883 |
0 |
13 |
15 |
Minoso, Minnie |
1953 |
162 |
650 |
94 |
186 |
28 |
3 |
11 |
82 |
67 |
64 |
11 |
25 |
13 |
.286 |
.362 |
.389 |
.751 |
9 |
13 |
16 |
Robinson, Brooks |
1973 |
162 |
584 |
47 |
128 |
14 |
1 |
8 |
41 |
44 |
71 |
2 |
0 |
0 |
.219 |
.276 |
.288 |
.563 |
2 |
10 |
17 |
Thomas, Frank |
1956 |
162 |
687 |
81 |
201 |
31 |
4 |
22 |
111 |
19 |
82 |
2 |
0 |
1 |
.293 |
.310 |
.445 |
.756 |
2 |
13 |
18 |
Fielder, Prince |
2007 |
162 |
594 |
84 |
164 |
22 |
2 |
36 |
105 |
71 |
121 |
9 |
0 |
0 |
.276 |
.358 |
.502 |
.859 |
2 |
16 |
19 |
Sandberg, Ryne |
1996 |
162 |
622 |
64 |
149 |
19 |
5 |
22 |
94 |
42 |
120 |
4 |
11 |
7 |
.240 |
.290 |
.392 |
.682 |
2 |
10 |
20 |
Hundley, Randy |
1968 |
162 |
571 |
44 |
138 |
23 |
6 |
4 |
50 |
32 |
50 |
2 |
0 |
1 |
.242 |
.284 |
.324 |
.608 |
6 |
10 |
21 |
Goslin, Goose |
1936 |
162 |
629 |
125 |
184 |
31 |
3 |
28 |
111 |
59 |
76 |
3 |
4 |
2 |
.293 |
.353 |
.485 |
.838 |
3 |
13 |
22 |
Kluszewski, Ted |
1950 |
162 |
621 |
80 |
189 |
38 |
0 |
30 |
97 |
41 |
38 |
4 |
0 |
0 |
.304 |
.349 |
.510 |
.859 |
0 |
13 |
23 |
Garcia, Damaso |
1985 |
162 |
628 |
79 |
173 |
25 |
5 |
9 |
64 |
7 |
36 |
2 |
21 |
13 |
.275 |
.285 |
.374 |
.659 |
0 |
16 |
24 |
Bordick, Mike |
2000 |
162 |
658 |
88 |
188 |
33 |
2 |
20 |
88 |
30 |
101 |
3 |
2 |
6 |
.286 |
.319 |
.433 |
.752 |
1 |
9 |
25 |
Munson, Thurman |
1977 |
162 |
652 |
71 |
192 |
29 |
7 |
11 |
88 |
25 |
76 |
7 |
0 |
0 |
.294 |
.326 |
.411 |
.737 |
0 |
14 |