Posted by topoftheworl on 8/29/2013 10:07:00 PM (view original):
Pedro Oliva has been a central piece of a 3 time in a row WS winner and was taken 97th and is still getting better.  A finely tuned draft board can be very rewarding.  Just need to look for people who do the right things well on offense (contact, power, Vs. Right, and batting eye) or defense.  You can get completely usable players down to about 125 or so if after pick 20 you aren't looking for perfect players.

Esteban James is not even 30 yet and he is a 4 time all-star, 3 time silver slugger, 3 time gold glove winner, 4 WS winner who nearly fell out of the top 20 becuase of low durability and contact.  But in two of the vital skills (vs. R and batting eye he is elite) and hits for enough power.  You don't need perfect players.  You need players that do the right things if drafting a little lower in the draft.

I didn't draft James, though I did trade for him.  He's just a great example.

Posted by usfbully on 8/29/2013 6:46:00 PM (view original):
You can keep showing me all of the part time DH you want. I am not arguing they wont be productive at the plate. I am not arguing that they wont be guys you could plug into the 3-4-5 holes depending on how they grow. That would be their role, and nothing more. Part time slugger. They will provide no or worse bad defense. They will sit on the bench for 40-50 games. They will provide no or limited speed on the base paths.

I would consider all of those players expendable. You can find replacements for all of those guys. They are not cornerstone cogs. They fill one particular need, and good teams will find guys like that. They probably wont be built around guys like that.

Posted by grissom97 on 8/29/2013 9:32:00 PM (view original):
Mike, Ferrer has good offensive ratings but that DUR is horrible.  Are you willing to have this type guy on all your teams or does the team need to be set up so that you can sacrifice a spot on a part time DH/PH type?

Posted by usfbully on 8/30/2013 8:33:00 AM (view original):

Posted by topoftheworl on 8/29/2013 10:07:00 PM (view original):
Pedro Oliva has been a central piece of a 3 time in a row WS winner and was taken 97th and is still getting better.  A finely tuned draft board can be very rewarding.  Just need to look for people who do the right things well on offense (contact, power, Vs. Right, and batting eye) or defense.  You can get completely usable players down to about 125 or so if after pick 20 you aren't looking for perfect players.

Esteban James is not even 30 yet and he is a 4 time all-star, 3 time silver slugger, 3 time gold glove winner, 4 WS winner who nearly fell out of the top 20 becuase of low durability and contact.  But in two of the vital skills (vs. R and batting eye he is elite) and hits for enough power.  You don't need perfect players.  You need players that do the right things if drafting a little lower in the draft.

I didn't draft James, though I did trade for him.  He's just a great example.

Thanks for adding literally nothing to this topic that has not been added already. Except for the fact you are bragging about winning multiple championships in a row, you have accomplished nothing.

Nobody here is saying you can not get good pieces drafting late (24th or worse). We are all in agreement you will get all the Olivas you want (you know, DHs).
James was picked 19th overall. A tad lower than I would expect, but still in the middle of the 1st rd. Again, however, he is someone who needs to have a good backup, and manages to strike out 100 times a year. He has also won 3 GG in left field, because you have the luxury of playing him there because you are spending $130 million+ on player payroll. I'm sure you plan on sticking around after all of those inflated contracts expire.


EDIT:

Mike, isn't this your alias? I know you have posted under one before.

Posted by usfbully on 8/30/2013 8:33:00 AM (view original):

Posted by topoftheworl on 8/29/2013 10:07:00 PM (view original):
Pedro Oliva has been a central piece of a 3 time in a row WS winner and was taken 97th and is still getting better.  A finely tuned draft board can be very rewarding.  Just need to look for people who do the right things well on offense (contact, power, Vs. Right, and batting eye) or defense.  You can get completely usable players down to about 125 or so if after pick 20 you aren't looking for perfect players.

Esteban James is not even 30 yet and he is a 4 time all-star, 3 time silver slugger, 3 time gold glove winner, 4 WS winner who nearly fell out of the top 20 becuase of low durability and contact.  But in two of the vital skills (vs. R and batting eye he is elite) and hits for enough power.  You don't need perfect players.  You need players that do the right things if drafting a little lower in the draft.

I didn't draft James, though I did trade for him.  He's just a great example.

Thanks for adding literally nothing to this topic that has not been added already. Except for the fact you are bragging about winning multiple championships in a row, you have accomplished nothing.

Nobody here is saying you can not get good pieces drafting late (24th or worse). We are all in agreement you will get all the Olivas you want (you know, DHs).
James was picked 19th overall. A tad lower than I would expect, but still in the middle of the 1st rd. Again, however, he is someone who needs to have a good backup, and manages to strike out 100 times a year. He has also won 3 GG in left field, because you have the luxury of playing him there because you are spending $130 million+ on player payroll. I'm sure you plan on sticking around after all of those inflated contracts expire.


EDIT:

Mike, isn't this your alias? I know you have posted under one before.

Posted by MikeT23 on 8/30/2013 8:42:00 AM (view original):

Posted by usfbully on 8/29/2013 6:46:00 PM (view original):
You can keep showing me all of the part time DH you want. I am not arguing they wont be productive at the plate. I am not arguing that they wont be guys you could plug into the 3-4-5 holes depending on how they grow. That would be their role, and nothing more. Part time slugger. They will provide no or worse bad defense. They will sit on the bench for 40-50 games. They will provide no or limited speed on the base paths.

I would consider all of those players expendable. You can find replacements for all of those guys. They are not cornerstone cogs. They fill one particular need, and good teams will find guys like that. They probably wont be built around guys like that.

Yeah, you stepped right into retarded.   How many games does your teams play in the regular season?  Mine play 162.   Gandarillas has played between 131 and 140 each BL season.    My math says "That's not 40-50 games on the bench."

I happen to field a lot of good teams.  I'll also build my offense around guys like that.  As I noted in SM, you were a sub .500 owner in Cooperstown, the only world we shared, and I do a little better than that.   Maybe you should rethink how you build teams.

Posted by topoftheworl on 8/30/2013 11:15:00 AM (view original):

Posted by usfbully on 8/30/2013 8:33:00 AM (view original):

Posted by topoftheworl on 8/29/2013 10:07:00 PM (view original):
Pedro Oliva has been a central piece of a 3 time in a row WS winner and was taken 97th and is still getting better.  A finely tuned draft board can be very rewarding.  Just need to look for people who do the right things well on offense (contact, power, Vs. Right, and batting eye) or defense.  You can get completely usable players down to about 125 or so if after pick 20 you aren't looking for perfect players.

Esteban James is not even 30 yet and he is a 4 time all-star, 3 time silver slugger, 3 time gold glove winner, 4 WS winner who nearly fell out of the top 20 becuase of low durability and contact.  But in two of the vital skills (vs. R and batting eye he is elite) and hits for enough power.  You don't need perfect players.  You need players that do the right things if drafting a little lower in the draft.

I didn't draft James, though I did trade for him.  He's just a great example.

Thanks for adding literally nothing to this topic that has not been added already. Except for the fact you are bragging about winning multiple championships in a row, you have accomplished nothing.

Nobody here is saying you can not get good pieces drafting late (24th or worse). We are all in agreement you will get all the Olivas you want (you know, DHs).
James was picked 19th overall. A tad lower than I would expect, but still in the middle of the 1st rd. Again, however, he is someone who needs to have a good backup, and manages to strike out 100 times a year. He has also won 3 GG in left field, because you have the luxury of playing him there because you are spending $130 million+ on player payroll. I'm sure you plan on sticking around after all of those inflated contracts expire.


EDIT:

Mike, isn't this your alias? I know you have posted under one before.

Dear Troll

1. Agreed Mike had made a similar point, but I expanded it by narrowing down the exact catagories to search for when trying to find a steal.
2. My Oliva example is the best one yet, he's 40 or more picks later then the other players used in examples in the thread.
3. I'm not sure what the ability to pay for players later has anything to do with this thread. I thought we were talking about drafting.
4. What the hell is the fun of winning them (without tanking) if you can't make off-handed allusions to them?

Posted by usfbully on 8/30/2013 11:54:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 8/30/2013 8:42:00 AM (view original):

Posted by usfbully on 8/29/2013 6:46:00 PM (view original):
You can keep showing me all of the part time DH you want. I am not arguing they wont be productive at the plate. I am not arguing that they wont be guys you could plug into the 3-4-5 holes depending on how they grow. That would be their role, and nothing more. Part time slugger. They will provide no or worse bad defense. They will sit on the bench for 40-50 games. They will provide no or limited speed on the base paths.

I would consider all of those players expendable. You can find replacements for all of those guys. They are not cornerstone cogs. They fill one particular need, and good teams will find guys like that. They probably wont be built around guys like that.

Yeah, you stepped right into retarded.   How many games does your teams play in the regular season?  Mine play 162.   Gandarillas has played between 131 and 140 each BL season.    My math says "That's not 40-50 games on the bench."

I happen to field a lot of good teams.  I'll also build my offense around guys like that.  As I noted in SM, you were a sub .500 owner in Cooperstown, the only world we shared, and I do a little better than that.   Maybe you should rethink how you build teams.

My record vs you is 20-10. You are my ***** h2h.

Have fun winning a championship once a calendar year. Your good teams tend to not get over the top. Maybe you should rethink how you build yours.

By the way.

He started 114 games in season 27. 162-114 = 48
He started 130 in season 28. 162-130=32
He started 104 in season 29.162-104=58

You had to find replacement starters for an average of 46 games a season. GL with that.

Posted by usfbully on 8/30/2013 11:47:00 AM (view original):

Posted by topoftheworl on 8/30/2013 11:15:00 AM (view original):

Posted by usfbully on 8/30/2013 8:33:00 AM (view original):

Posted by topoftheworl on 8/29/2013 10:07:00 PM (view original):
Pedro Oliva has been a central piece of a 3 time in a row WS winner and was taken 97th and is still getting better.  A finely tuned draft board can be very rewarding.  Just need to look for people who do the right things well on offense (contact, power, Vs. Right, and batting eye) or defense.  You can get completely usable players down to about 125 or so if after pick 20 you aren't looking for perfect players.

Esteban James is not even 30 yet and he is a 4 time all-star, 3 time silver slugger, 3 time gold glove winner, 4 WS winner who nearly fell out of the top 20 becuase of low durability and contact.  But in two of the vital skills (vs. R and batting eye he is elite) and hits for enough power.  You don't need perfect players.  You need players that do the right things if drafting a little lower in the draft.

I didn't draft James, though I did trade for him.  He's just a great example.

Thanks for adding literally nothing to this topic that has not been added already. Except for the fact you are bragging about winning multiple championships in a row, you have accomplished nothing.

Nobody here is saying you can not get good pieces drafting late (24th or worse). We are all in agreement you will get all the Olivas you want (you know, DHs).
James was picked 19th overall. A tad lower than I would expect, but still in the middle of the 1st rd. Again, however, he is someone who needs to have a good backup, and manages to strike out 100 times a year. He has also won 3 GG in left field, because you have the luxury of playing him there because you are spending $130 million+ on player payroll. I'm sure you plan on sticking around after all of those inflated contracts expire.


EDIT:

Mike, isn't this your alias? I know you have posted under one before.

Dear Troll

1. Agreed Mike had made a similar point, but I expanded it by narrowing down the exact catagories to search for when trying to find a steal.
2. My Oliva example is the best one yet, he's 40 or more picks later then the other players used in examples in the thread.
3. I'm not sure what the ability to pay for players later has anything to do with this thread. I thought we were talking about drafting.
4. What the hell is the fun of winning them (without tanking) if you can't make off-handed allusions to them?

I could post a handfull of guys I got in the 2nd and 3rd round that are valuable to my team. This guy  was a 5th rd pick. He could be a GG SS if he wasn't already playing behind one who was drafted 51st overall. Just like all of the one dimensional PT DH that have been listed in this thread, they help good teams win. No one is arguing against that.

You post James and his individual accomplisments and make it seem like he was a first overall that went 19. He is a good player that has the advantage of being able to play down defensively, has had some over productive years powerwise, and is racking up awards because of it. Hoo-ray!

And you do tank! You have 7 100 loss seasons! I have 4 and 2 of them were years I took over as a replacement.

Posted by usfbully on 8/30/2013 3:17:00 PM (view original):
^Im not going to lie I pulled a Mike and didn't read what you posted.

I am going to assume it is you babling about your bad teams and definding your poor record at times.

Posted by MikeT23 on 3/26/2013 2:00:00 PM (view original):
Takes me about half an hour for 50 players(which is usually all I feel deserve a ranking.

1.  Pick an "essential" rating.    Say 55 VR for a pitcher.  Sort it.   Transfer qualifiers to excel.
2.  Pick a secondary rating on your excel sheet.   Say 40 control for a pitcher.  Sort again.  Deleter the failures.   If you want to carry it another step, pick another rating, sort and delete those who fail again.
3.  Rank the remainders with your personal formula.  If you don't have one, make one.
4.  Follow the same steps with hitters. 
5.  Give the highest ranked player and pitcher a grade of 100(say the highest total from your formula is 543 for a position player.  Divide by 5.43).  Do the same with your pitchers(noting that the highest may be 621 so divide all pitchers by 6.21).   Sort that final column, the one with the 100, and BAM!, you have a list. 
6.  Rank on HBD screen.
7.  Fine tune.