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8/20/2013 8:04 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 8/20/2013 6:51:00 PM (view original):
I think it's funny that, since 2010, Cabrera's worst year was the year he won the triple crown and the MVP.

He's clearly more valuable this year than he was last year but isn't (in all likelihood) going to win the triple crown. **** the triple crown, it's arbitrary. Like hitting for the cycle.
Methinks you used another word without knowing the meaning.

"Based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system."
8/20/2013 9:52 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 8/20/2013 6:51:00 PM (view original):
I think it's funny that, since 2010, Cabrera's worst year was the year he won the triple crown and the MVP.

He's clearly more valuable this year than he was last year but isn't (in all likelihood) going to win the triple crown. **** the triple crown, it's arbitrary. Like hitting for the cycle.
Agree with your sentiment. "DERRRR TRIPLE CROWN" on it's own, is a bad argument.
8/21/2013 12:35 AM
Posted by MikeT23 on 8/20/2013 8:04:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 8/20/2013 6:51:00 PM (view original):
I think it's funny that, since 2010, Cabrera's worst year was the year he won the triple crown and the MVP.

He's clearly more valuable this year than he was last year but isn't (in all likelihood) going to win the triple crown. **** the triple crown, it's arbitrary. Like hitting for the cycle.
Methinks you used another word without knowing the meaning.

"Based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system."
I was using it like this:

"based on or determined by individual preference or convenience rather than by necessity or the nature of something"

There's no special value in leading the league in BA/HR/RBI, other than the fact that people make a big deal out of it.
8/21/2013 8:19 AM
The Triple Crown has been the Triple Crown forever.   No one is saying "Uh, the Triple Crown this season will be doubles, intentional walks and WAR."     Same goes for hitting for the cycle.

The Triple Crown/hitting for the cycle are no arbitrary at all.    If you want to argue that putting value on the Triple Crown is dumb, have at it.    But use your words properly.
8/21/2013 10:07 AM
Posted by MikeT23 on 8/21/2013 8:19:00 AM (view original):
The Triple Crown has been the Triple Crown forever.   No one is saying "Uh, the Triple Crown this season will be doubles, intentional walks and WAR."     Same goes for hitting for the cycle.

The Triple Crown/hitting for the cycle are no arbitrary at all.    If you want to argue that putting value on the Triple Crown is dumb, have at it.    But use your words properly.
It's arbitrary. A sportswriter picked those three because wanted DiMaggio to win the MVP. Had it been convenient for his argument, he might have used runs scored, stolen bases, OBP, etc.
8/21/2013 10:26 AM
DiMaggio never won the Triple Crown.   But let's say it originated in the 40s.   So, 70 years later, it's still arbitrary?    Are drinking/voting ages arbitrary?   What about legal consent?   How long does specific terminology have to be around before it is no longer arbitrary?
8/21/2013 10:32 AM
Posted by bad_luck on 8/21/2013 10:07:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 8/21/2013 8:19:00 AM (view original):
The Triple Crown has been the Triple Crown forever.   No one is saying "Uh, the Triple Crown this season will be doubles, intentional walks and WAR."     Same goes for hitting for the cycle.

The Triple Crown/hitting for the cycle are no arbitrary at all.    If you want to argue that putting value on the Triple Crown is dumb, have at it.    But use your words properly.
It's arbitrary. A sportswriter picked those three because wanted DiMaggio to win the MVP. Had it been convenient for his argument, he might have used runs scored, stolen bases, OBP, etc.
THEY ARE TRYING 2 HELP U --->>>

Your UN-thought-out contentions here, using your own words
to somehow portray similarities & discrepancies which relate
to the Triple Crown, just keeps going in circles...

Think ?...

If 'MLB' calls it what it is, --->>> hitting 4 the cycle in 1 lone game,
& it happens a half dozen times a season, then U must also use
words here that don't simultaneously show 'aimless' direction...

This thread is not about the possibility of 6 Triple Crown winners,
this season, as your comparisons declare... Everyone here tries
2 determine what features of the WAR numbers have real value,
& which aspects that need 2 be less emphasized...

The input here is supposed 2 help U to understand what you can
not seem to grasp... Sooner or later, the commonalities just take
flight, & you're gone again, --->>> 3 simple posts later...

Man, oh man... 
8/21/2013 10:34 AM
Posted by MikeT23 on 8/21/2013 10:26:00 AM (view original):
DiMaggio never won the Triple Crown.   But let's say it originated in the 40s.   So, 70 years later, it's still arbitrary?    Are drinking/voting ages arbitrary?   What about legal consent?   How long does specific terminology have to be around before it is no longer arbitrary?
It was 1939. DiMaggio was leading in BA and close in RBI and HR. The writer made up the term in an attempt to bolster DiMaggio's MVP case. He picked those stats because it was convenient to his argument. Arbitrary.

And to your off topic questions regarding age, yes.
8/21/2013 10:36 AM

So how long does specific terminology have to be around before it's no longer "arbitrary"?

8/21/2013 10:40 AM
Seriously, I'm not gonna get bogged down in this but no one is saying "Let's use doubles, triples and stolen bases for the Triple Crown this year" nor have they ever.   The Triple Crown is not an arbitrary "award" these days.  By your count, the term has been around 74 years.    That's the average life span of a man in the US.

Don't argue the meaning of words.  You never do well.   Just argue the point if your point is "The Triple Crown is dumb". 
8/21/2013 10:43 AM
Longevity doesn't make something less arbitrary. Now I think you're the one who doesn't understand what words mean.
8/21/2013 10:49 AM
Meanings of words are arbitrary.   Right?
8/21/2013 10:51 AM
Seriously, why should road mean "a path between two points"?   Arbitrary bullshit, I say!!!
8/21/2013 10:54 AM
Posted by MikeT23 on 8/21/2013 10:49:00 AM (view original):
Meanings of words are arbitrary.   Right?
No, but some things, even old ones, are arbitrary. There isn't anything special about winning the triple crown other than the fact that we call it the triple crown.
8/21/2013 10:54 AM
You guys argue about the dumbest ****.  The point is, if 70 years ago some guy decided that the triple crown was OPS+, runs, and stolen bases, Trout wins the triple crown last year.  It's dumb.
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