Cabrera won MVP Topic

Here.  Point it out to me.

“Dear Voter:

There is no clear-cut definition of what Most Valuable means. It is up to the individual voter to decide who was the Most Valuable Player in each league to his team. The MVP need not come from a division winner or other playoff qualifier.

The rules of the voting remain the same as they were written on the first ballot in 1931:

1. Actual value of a player to his team, that is, strength of offense and defense.

2. Number of games played.

3. General character, disposition, loyalty and effort

4. Former winners are eligible

5. Members of the committee may vote for more than one member of a team.

You are also urged to give serious consideration to all your selections, from 1 to 10. A 10th-place vote can influence the outcome of an election. You must fill in all 10 places on your ballot. Only regular-season performances are to be taken into consideration

 

11/20/2013 3:22 PM
FWIW, it does say "value of player to his team" a couple times here.  But I digress.
11/20/2013 3:23 PM
Posted by burnsy483 on 11/20/2013 3:18:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 11/20/2013 3:13:00 PM (view original):
The award is based on actual value of offense and defense, not relative value.
LOL. How do you know that?  Show me, in the definition of baseball's MVP award.
Seems to me that pitchers get votes.   They can't hit for ****. 
11/20/2013 3:30 PM
I like this part:   It is up to the individual voter to decide who was the Most Valuable Player in each league to his team
11/20/2013 3:32 PM
Posted by burnsy483 on 11/20/2013 3:22:00 PM (view original):
Here.  Point it out to me.

“Dear Voter:

There is no clear-cut definition of what Most Valuable means. It is up to the individual voter to decide who was the Most Valuable Player in each league to his team. The MVP need not come from a division winner or other playoff qualifier.

The rules of the voting remain the same as they were written on the first ballot in 1931:

1. Actual value of a player to his team, that is, strength of offense and defense.

2. Number of games played.

3. General character, disposition, loyalty and effort

4. Former winners are eligible

5. Members of the committee may vote for more than one member of a team.

You are also urged to give serious consideration to all your selections, from 1 to 10. A 10th-place vote can influence the outcome of an election. You must fill in all 10 places on your ballot. Only regular-season performances are to be taken into consideration

 

This is what BL sees when he reads that:

“Dear Voter:

There is no clear-cut definition of what Most Valuable means. It is up to the individual voter to decide who was the Most Valuable Player in each league to his team. The MVP need not come from a division winner or other playoff qualifier.

The rules of the voting remain the same as they were written on the first ballot in 1931:

1. Best hitter.

2. Best hitter.

3. Best hitter.

4. Best hitter

5. WAR, ************!!!.

You are also urged to give serious consideration to all your selections, from 1 to 10. A 10th-place vote can influence the outcome of an election. You must fill in all 10 places on your ballot. Only regular-season performances are to be taken into consideration

P.S. All ballots that do not vote for the best hitter should be disregarded.

11/20/2013 3:45 PM
Number one. Actual value to his team, the strength of his offense and defense. Actual value doesn't change.
11/20/2013 3:48 PM
Posted by tecwrg on 11/20/2013 3:45:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 11/20/2013 3:22:00 PM (view original):
Here.  Point it out to me.

“Dear Voter:

There is no clear-cut definition of what Most Valuable means. It is up to the individual voter to decide who was the Most Valuable Player in each league to his team. The MVP need not come from a division winner or other playoff qualifier.

The rules of the voting remain the same as they were written on the first ballot in 1931:

1. Actual value of a player to his team, that is, strength of offense and defense.

2. Number of games played.

3. General character, disposition, loyalty and effort

4. Former winners are eligible

5. Members of the committee may vote for more than one member of a team.

You are also urged to give serious consideration to all your selections, from 1 to 10. A 10th-place vote can influence the outcome of an election. You must fill in all 10 places on your ballot. Only regular-season performances are to be taken into consideration

 

This is what BL sees when he reads that:

“Dear Voter:

There is no clear-cut definition of what Most Valuable means. It is up to the individual voter to decide who was the Most Valuable Player in each league to his team. The MVP need not come from a division winner or other playoff qualifier.

The rules of the voting remain the same as they were written on the first ballot in 1931:

1. Best hitter.

2. Best hitter.

3. Best hitter.

4. Best hitter

5. WAR, ************!!!.

You are also urged to give serious consideration to all your selections, from 1 to 10. A 10th-place vote can influence the outcome of an election. You must fill in all 10 places on your ballot. Only regular-season performances are to be taken into consideration

P.S. All ballots that do not vote for the best hitter should be disregarded.

Hey genius, Trout wasn't the best hitter. Way to completely miss the point.
11/20/2013 3:50 PM
You're right, the actual value to his team doesn't change.  How could it change?
11/20/2013 3:50 PM
Actual value to his team. Relative to his team. To his team.
11/20/2013 3:55 PM
Posted by burnsy483 on 11/20/2013 3:50:00 PM (view original):
You're right, the actual value to his team doesn't change.  How could it change?
The actual value of the production doesn't change, good team or bad.
11/20/2013 4:10 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 11/20/2013 3:30:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 11/20/2013 3:18:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 11/20/2013 3:13:00 PM (view original):
The award is based on actual value of offense and defense, not relative value.
LOL. How do you know that?  Show me, in the definition of baseball's MVP award.
Seems to me that pitchers get votes.   They can't hit for ****. 
Did you miss the part about defense?
11/20/2013 4:11 PM
Posted by burnsy483 on 11/20/2013 3:50:00 PM (view original):
You're right, the actual value to his team doesn't change.  How could it change?
Going back to your donation analogy:

Jim gives you $50.
Tom gives you $25.

You don't hit your goal. What was the value of Jim's donation to you?

 
11/20/2013 4:15 PM
In this example, very little, if any.  If Jim gave that $50 to someone else (a different team), and they hit their goal, he'd be very valuable.  He'd be very valuable to that team.  His "actual value" in your terms, do not change.  His "actual value to his team" depends what team he is on.
11/20/2013 4:18 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 11/20/2013 4:11:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 11/20/2013 3:30:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 11/20/2013 3:18:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 11/20/2013 3:13:00 PM (view original):
The award is based on actual value of offense and defense, not relative value.
LOL. How do you know that?  Show me, in the definition of baseball's MVP award.
Seems to me that pitchers get votes.   They can't hit for ****. 
Did you miss the part about defense?
FIP doesn't need defense.
11/20/2013 4:21 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 11/20/2013 4:21:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 11/20/2013 4:11:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 11/20/2013 3:30:00 PM (view original):
Posted by burnsy483 on 11/20/2013 3:18:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 11/20/2013 3:13:00 PM (view original):
The award is based on actual value of offense and defense, not relative value.
LOL. How do you know that?  Show me, in the definition of baseball's MVP award.
Seems to me that pitchers get votes.   They can't hit for ****. 
Did you miss the part about defense?
FIP doesn't need defense.
?

So that's a yes?

 
11/20/2013 4:26 PM
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