No, my argument is that to use TB for 162 games is kinda stupid.  I know you don't look at Barry and think "he's basically Trout, but just walks more."

Total bases are total bases.    If you think they're a stupid stat, I'm not sure what to say.    Walks are walks.   I'm a little less impressed by them but they're still a solid stat.    When two players manage to produce the same amount of TB per 162 over 15-20 year careers, it's fair to say, when they put the ball in play, they were comparable.    However, when one walks one more time every 8 games, he has more offensive value.   Not a great deal but more.  And those extra 20 BB per 162 will make his averaged stats better because he has less AB.

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/3/2013 12:31:00 PM (view original):
Total bases are total bases.    If you think they're a stupid stat, I'm not sure what to say.    Walks are walks.   I'm a little less impressed by them but they're still a solid stat.    When two players manage to produce the same amount of TB per 162 over 15-20 year careers, it's fair to say, when they put the ball in play, they were comparable.    However, when one walks one more time every 8 games, he has more offensive value.   Not a great deal but more.  And those extra 20 BB per 162 will make his averaged stats better because he has less AB.

So you're saying they are close in offensive value?

"When two players manage to produce the same amount of TB per 162 over 15-20 year careers, it's fair to say, when they put the ball in play, they were comparable."

It's better to look at by normalizing PA, I think.  Per 700 PA, Martinez has 10 more TB (more HR and more doubles) and the 20 more walks.  Williams hit into almost 30 more outs per 700 PA.

Posted by trsnoke on 12/3/2013 12:51:00 PM (view original):
It's better to look at by normalizing PA, I think.  Per 700 PA, Martinez has 10 more TB (more HR and more doubles) and the 20 more walks.  Williams hit into almost 30 more outs per 700 PA.

That's fair.   Do you think Williams produced 30 more outs in CF than Martinez did at DH?

Posted by bad_luck on 12/3/2013 12:36:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/3/2013 12:31:00 PM (view original):
Total bases are total bases.    If you think they're a stupid stat, I'm not sure what to say.    Walks are walks.   I'm a little less impressed by them but they're still a solid stat.    When two players manage to produce the same amount of TB per 162 over 15-20 year careers, it's fair to say, when they put the ball in play, they were comparable.    However, when one walks one more time every 8 games, he has more offensive value.   Not a great deal but more.  And those extra 20 BB per 162 will make his averaged stats better because he has less AB.

So you're saying they are close in offensive value?

LOL.   You quote the longest baseball post I've made in years and follow it with a question when the answer is CLEARLY in the content.

How stupid are you?

Nevermind, don't bother answering.   This is a fine example of why you think you "win" every argument.   Normal people get tired of repeating themselves yet you request it constantly.   So they begin to ignore you.

Posted by dahsdebater on 12/3/2013 4:18:00 AM (view original):
Between Bernie Williams and Edgar Martinez, only one ever led the league in games played.  And it wasn't Bernie.  So I'm not really sure what you're getting at.

During their bulk playing careers Martinez missed large portions of 3 seasons, Williams, none.

My question is why Seattle kept Martinez in the minors until he was 27.

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/3/2013 2:34:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 12/3/2013 12:36:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/3/2013 12:31:00 PM (view original):
Total bases are total bases.    If you think they're a stupid stat, I'm not sure what to say.    Walks are walks.   I'm a little less impressed by them but they're still a solid stat.    When two players manage to produce the same amount of TB per 162 over 15-20 year careers, it's fair to say, when they put the ball in play, they were comparable.    However, when one walks one more time every 8 games, he has more offensive value.   Not a great deal but more.  And those extra 20 BB per 162 will make his averaged stats better because he has less AB.

So you're saying they are close in offensive value?

LOL.   You quote the longest baseball post I've made in years and follow it with a question when the answer is CLEARLY in the content.

How stupid are you?

Nevermind, don't bother answering.   This is a fine example of why you think you "win" every argument.   Normal people get tired of repeating themselves yet you request it constantly.   So they begin to ignore you.

I was just making sure that I wasn't misinterpreting you when you say that clearly, Martinez and Williams were comparable offensive players.

Which is wrong. They weren't.

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/3/2013 2:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by trsnoke on 12/3/2013 12:51:00 PM (view original):
It's better to look at by normalizing PA, I think.  Per 700 PA, Martinez has 10 more TB (more HR and more doubles) and the 20 more walks.  Williams hit into almost 30 more outs per 700 PA.

That's fair.   Do you think Williams produced 30 more outs in CF than Martinez did at DH?

Even though it wasn't directed to him, I'd like to hear BL's response to this.

Posted by bad_luck on 12/3/2013 4:35:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/3/2013 2:34:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 12/3/2013 12:36:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/3/2013 12:31:00 PM (view original):
Total bases are total bases.    If you think they're a stupid stat, I'm not sure what to say.    Walks are walks.   I'm a little less impressed by them but they're still a solid stat.    When two players manage to produce the same amount of TB per 162 over 15-20 year careers, it's fair to say, when they put the ball in play, they were comparable.    However, when one walks one more time every 8 games, he has more offensive value.   Not a great deal but more.  And those extra 20 BB per 162 will make his averaged stats better because he has less AB.

So you're saying they are close in offensive value?

LOL.   You quote the longest baseball post I've made in years and follow it with a question when the answer is CLEARLY in the content.

How stupid are you?

Nevermind, don't bother answering.   This is a fine example of why you think you "win" every argument.   Normal people get tired of repeating themselves yet you request it constantly.   So they begin to ignore you.

I was just making sure that I wasn't misinterpreting you when you say that clearly, Martinez and Williams were comparable offensive players.

Which is wrong. They weren't.

LOL.

Reading comprehension isn't part of your skill set, is it?

Posted by tecwrg on 12/3/2013 5:00:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/3/2013 2:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by trsnoke on 12/3/2013 12:51:00 PM (view original):
It's better to look at by normalizing PA, I think.  Per 700 PA, Martinez has 10 more TB (more HR and more doubles) and the 20 more walks.  Williams hit into almost 30 more outs per 700 PA.

That's fair.   Do you think Williams produced 30 more outs in CF than Martinez did at DH?

Even though it wasn't directed to him, I'd like to hear BL's response to this.

So you're asking me a question about WAR?

Posted by tecwrg on 12/3/2013 5:01:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 12/3/2013 4:35:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/3/2013 2:34:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 12/3/2013 12:36:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/3/2013 12:31:00 PM (view original):
Total bases are total bases.    If you think they're a stupid stat, I'm not sure what to say.    Walks are walks.   I'm a little less impressed by them but they're still a solid stat.    When two players manage to produce the same amount of TB per 162 over 15-20 year careers, it's fair to say, when they put the ball in play, they were comparable.    However, when one walks one more time every 8 games, he has more offensive value.   Not a great deal but more.  And those extra 20 BB per 162 will make his averaged stats better because he has less AB.

So you're saying they are close in offensive value?

LOL.   You quote the longest baseball post I've made in years and follow it with a question when the answer is CLEARLY in the content.

How stupid are you?

Nevermind, don't bother answering.   This is a fine example of why you think you "win" every argument.   Normal people get tired of repeating themselves yet you request it constantly.   So they begin to ignore you.

I was just making sure that I wasn't misinterpreting you when you say that clearly, Martinez and Williams were comparable offensive players.

Which is wrong. They weren't.

LOL.

How stupid are you?

What was wrong with that?

"However, when one walks one more time every 8 games, he has more offensive value."

Reading comprehension isn't part of your skill set, is it?