Ferguson Police should be outlawed Topic

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So that's what you want, total compliance with all police requests, right or wrong. Interesting.
9/1/2014 11:16 AM
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Well, it does bring a higher probability of NOT getting beaten, tased or shot.

But that's your choice.
9/1/2014 11:49 AM
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There's an old saying, "pick your battles".  Maybe you've heard of it.

Perhaps the better battle is the one after the fact, the one fought in court, rather than on the spot with the cop who has a weapon he is trained to use.

But again, that's your choice.

9/1/2014 11:52 AM
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Posted by tecwrg on 9/1/2014 11:52:00 AM (view original):

There's an old saying, "pick your battles".  Maybe you've heard of it.

Perhaps the better battle is the one after the fact, the one fought in court, rather than on the spot with the cop who has a weapon he is trained to use.

But again, that's your choice.

Again, the cops also have a choice. Maybe better training and more severe punishments would lead to less people being beaten for exercising their legal rights.
9/1/2014 12:02 PM
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Posted by bad_luck on 9/1/2014 11:16:00 AM (view original):
So that's what you want, total compliance with all police requests, right or wrong. Interesting.
Yes - compliance. They are police officers and good citizens that are doing nothing wrong comply. Its not like they asked Minnesota man to hop on one leg, pat his head with one hand, and rub his belly with the other. They simply asked him to show ID and he escalated the situation to the point the officers tased and arrested him. It was all avoidable had he complied in the first place. He would have been home with his kids.
9/1/2014 12:48 PM
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Posted by moy23 on 9/1/2014 12:48:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 9/1/2014 11:16:00 AM (view original):
So that's what you want, total compliance with all police requests, right or wrong. Interesting.
Yes - compliance. They are police officers and good citizens that are doing nothing wrong comply. Its not like they asked Minnesota man to hop on one leg, pat his head with one hand, and rub his belly with the other. They simply asked him to show ID and he escalated the situation to the point the officers tased and arrested him. It was all avoidable had he complied in the first place. He would have been home with his kids.
It was also avoidable if the cops hadn't arrested him for legally refusing their request. Why are you ignoring that fact?
9/1/2014 12:49 PM
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Posted by bad_luck on 9/1/2014 12:49:00 PM (view original):
Posted by moy23 on 9/1/2014 12:48:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 9/1/2014 11:16:00 AM (view original):
So that's what you want, total compliance with all police requests, right or wrong. Interesting.
Yes - compliance. They are police officers and good citizens that are doing nothing wrong comply. Its not like they asked Minnesota man to hop on one leg, pat his head with one hand, and rub his belly with the other. They simply asked him to show ID and he escalated the situation to the point the officers tased and arrested him. It was all avoidable had he complied in the first place. He would have been home with his kids.
It was also avoidable if the cops hadn't arrested him for legally refusing their request. Why are you ignoring that fact?
What were the charges again? Was failure to show ID one of them?
9/1/2014 12:51 PM
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Posted by moy23 on 9/1/2014 12:48:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 9/1/2014 11:16:00 AM (view original):
So that's what you want, total compliance with all police requests, right or wrong. Interesting.
Yes - compliance. They are police officers and good citizens that are doing nothing wrong comply. Its not like they asked Minnesota man to hop on one leg, pat his head with one hand, and rub his belly with the other. They simply asked him to show ID and he escalated the situation to the point the officers tased and arrested him. It was all avoidable had he complied in the first place. He would have been home with his kids.
And what if they had asked him to hop on one leg? Or take off his clothes? Or promise to follow the laws of Islam?

He should just comply right? And then deal with it in court? Because, obviously, refusing to comply will lead to the cops tasing and arresting him, since they aren't capable of discretion. Any refusal is met with force since, you know, they're cops and they can't control themselves.
9/1/2014 12:53 PM
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Posted by moy23 on 9/1/2014 12:53:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 9/1/2014 12:49:00 PM (view original):
Posted by moy23 on 9/1/2014 12:48:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 9/1/2014 11:16:00 AM (view original):
So that's what you want, total compliance with all police requests, right or wrong. Interesting.
Yes - compliance. They are police officers and good citizens that are doing nothing wrong comply. Its not like they asked Minnesota man to hop on one leg, pat his head with one hand, and rub his belly with the other. They simply asked him to show ID and he escalated the situation to the point the officers tased and arrested him. It was all avoidable had he complied in the first place. He would have been home with his kids.
It was also avoidable if the cops hadn't arrested him for legally refusing their request. Why are you ignoring that fact?
What were the charges again? Was failure to show ID one of them?
I don't think charges were filed. Or, if they were, they were immediately dropped. I don't remember.
9/1/2014 12:54 PM
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Posted by bad_luck on 9/1/2014 12:53:00 PM (view original):
Posted by moy23 on 9/1/2014 12:48:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 9/1/2014 11:16:00 AM (view original):
So that's what you want, total compliance with all police requests, right or wrong. Interesting.
Yes - compliance. They are police officers and good citizens that are doing nothing wrong comply. Its not like they asked Minnesota man to hop on one leg, pat his head with one hand, and rub his belly with the other. They simply asked him to show ID and he escalated the situation to the point the officers tased and arrested him. It was all avoidable had he complied in the first place. He would have been home with his kids.
And what if they had asked him to hop on one leg? Or take off his clothes? Or promise to follow the laws of Islam?

He should just comply right? And then deal with it in court? Because, obviously, refusing to comply will lead to the cops tasing and arresting him, since they aren't capable of discretion. Any refusal is met with force since, you know, they're cops and they can't control themselves.
Comply. Get out of the situation and hire an attorney. It would be front page news.
9/1/2014 12:55 PM
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Posted by bad_luck on 9/1/2014 12:54:00 PM (view original):
Posted by moy23 on 9/1/2014 12:53:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 9/1/2014 12:49:00 PM (view original):
Posted by moy23 on 9/1/2014 12:48:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 9/1/2014 11:16:00 AM (view original):
So that's what you want, total compliance with all police requests, right or wrong. Interesting.
Yes - compliance. They are police officers and good citizens that are doing nothing wrong comply. Its not like they asked Minnesota man to hop on one leg, pat his head with one hand, and rub his belly with the other. They simply asked him to show ID and he escalated the situation to the point the officers tased and arrested him. It was all avoidable had he complied in the first place. He would have been home with his kids.
It was also avoidable if the cops hadn't arrested him for legally refusing their request. Why are you ignoring that fact?
What were the charges again? Was failure to show ID one of them?
I don't think charges were filed. Or, if they were, they were immediately dropped. I don't remember.
trespassing, disorderly conduct, and obstructing the legal process

That's not refusing to show ID... He was arrested for the way he handled himself.
9/1/2014 1:00 PM
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This appears to be a standard BL argument.

Everyone says:  Yes, police officers should behave properly.   But don't count on it.  If they make a reasonable request, like "Get out of the road" or "Show me some identification", just do it.

BL says:  But he was within his rights to refuse.

Everyone:  Yes, he sure was.  However, getting shot or tasered when you're within your rights is still a bad thing.   Comply with a simple request and avoid a confrontation.

BL:  Yeah but the police officer didn't have to do that.

Everyone:  Correct, he did not.   But, by simply showing some ID, the whole situation is diffused.

BL:  Yeah but he was within his rights to refuse.

And the thread goes another 30 pages with everyone repeating themselves.
9/1/2014 1:01 PM
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Posted by moy23 on 9/1/2014 12:55:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 9/1/2014 12:53:00 PM (view original):
Posted by moy23 on 9/1/2014 12:48:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 9/1/2014 11:16:00 AM (view original):
So that's what you want, total compliance with all police requests, right or wrong. Interesting.
Yes - compliance. They are police officers and good citizens that are doing nothing wrong comply. Its not like they asked Minnesota man to hop on one leg, pat his head with one hand, and rub his belly with the other. They simply asked him to show ID and he escalated the situation to the point the officers tased and arrested him. It was all avoidable had he complied in the first place. He would have been home with his kids.
And what if they had asked him to hop on one leg? Or take off his clothes? Or promise to follow the laws of Islam?

He should just comply right? And then deal with it in court? Because, obviously, refusing to comply will lead to the cops tasing and arresting him, since they aren't capable of discretion. Any refusal is met with force since, you know, they're cops and they can't control themselves.
Comply. Get out of the situation and hire an attorney. It would be front page news.
Bullshit. Cops need to do a better job.
9/1/2014 1:01 PM
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Posted by moy23 on 9/1/2014 1:00:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 9/1/2014 12:54:00 PM (view original):
Posted by moy23 on 9/1/2014 12:53:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 9/1/2014 12:49:00 PM (view original):
Posted by moy23 on 9/1/2014 12:48:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 9/1/2014 11:16:00 AM (view original):
So that's what you want, total compliance with all police requests, right or wrong. Interesting.
Yes - compliance. They are police officers and good citizens that are doing nothing wrong comply. Its not like they asked Minnesota man to hop on one leg, pat his head with one hand, and rub his belly with the other. They simply asked him to show ID and he escalated the situation to the point the officers tased and arrested him. It was all avoidable had he complied in the first place. He would have been home with his kids.
It was also avoidable if the cops hadn't arrested him for legally refusing their request. Why are you ignoring that fact?
What were the charges again? Was failure to show ID one of them?
I don't think charges were filed. Or, if they were, they were immediately dropped. I don't remember.
trespassing, disorderly conduct, and obstructing the legal process

That's not refusing to show ID... He was arrested for the way he handled himself.
And they were all dropped because the arrest was illegal.
9/1/2014 1:02 PM
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Posted by bad_luck on 9/1/2014 1:02:00 PM (view original):
Posted by moy23 on 9/1/2014 1:00:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 9/1/2014 12:54:00 PM (view original):
Posted by moy23 on 9/1/2014 12:53:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 9/1/2014 12:49:00 PM (view original):
Posted by moy23 on 9/1/2014 12:48:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 9/1/2014 11:16:00 AM (view original):
So that's what you want, total compliance with all police requests, right or wrong. Interesting.
Yes - compliance. They are police officers and good citizens that are doing nothing wrong comply. Its not like they asked Minnesota man to hop on one leg, pat his head with one hand, and rub his belly with the other. They simply asked him to show ID and he escalated the situation to the point the officers tased and arrested him. It was all avoidable had he complied in the first place. He would have been home with his kids.
It was also avoidable if the cops hadn't arrested him for legally refusing their request. Why are you ignoring that fact?
What were the charges again? Was failure to show ID one of them?
I don't think charges were filed. Or, if they were, they were immediately dropped. I don't remember.
trespassing, disorderly conduct, and obstructing the legal process

That's not refusing to show ID... He was arrested for the way he handled himself.
And they were all dropped because the arrest was illegal.
Possibly... Can be dropped for a lot of reasons.

Point is they CAN be dropped if you are innocent.... But the tasing can NOT be undone. Michael Brown can NOT be brought back to life. These events could have been avoided had both individuals initially complied.
9/1/2014 1:08 PM
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