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I don't see how one can argue gay marriage is harmful to society so it should be prohibited
And then not argue the the same stance on the following:
Carbon Emissions are harmful to society so SUVs should be prohibited
Overpopulation is harmful to society so having too many kids should be prohibited
Single parents are harmful to society so divorce should be prohibited.
The best thing about the US is people can make choices (and one can only hope they are the right choices). I personally believe the traditional family unit is best for kids and I choose to have a traditional family. I think gay sex is appalling but to each their own. I also personally believe having extended family nearby is good for my kids so I stay in this god forsaken state of Illinois. My choice. That's what's nice about America - 'choice'. What society needs is a bit more 'tolerance'.
You mean "tolerance" like the Gay Pride rainbow flag is acceptable, but the Southern Dixie stars and bars isn't?
There should be the same tolerance regarding the Confederate Flag as there is the gay rainbow flag. The Confederate Flag is a symbol of southern pride for MOST southerners (and quite frankly it should be the decision of the people of South Carolina to determine if it flies or not). It's too bad it was taken down because of an intolerant vocal minority, many who have never even been to South Carolina. I also think there should be tolerance for Christian bakers that don't want to support gay weddings. Unfortunately there is a HUGE lack of tolerance these days and we all are going to pay for it when we realize our freedom of choice has been stripped away and all we are left with is political correctness.
It actually was the decision of the people as the people they elected to office are the people who chose to take the flag down.
It was - after a bunch of know nothings from out of state applied pressure for them to do so. Politicians and Corporations these days have no backbone and would rather be Politically Correct than stand up and do what's right. We've seen this over and over and over again.
So flying the flag of a defunct failed state that existed exclusively to fight a war to preserve an economic system based on slave labor is "right?"
Best case scenario, for the folks arguing in favor of flying the Confederate flag, would seem to be a position in which there is no inherent right or wrong...
Look, it's easy in 2015 to look back 150+ years and say "WTF? Slavery? You gotta be kidding me!!!"
The defunct failed state was fighting for a way of life. They felt they were being legislated out of business and fought for their livelihood. There was another country with stars and bars that did the same thing.
I think you're making my point for me. It IS 150+ years later. I'm not indicting the states that seceded; one could certainly argue that attempts at diplomacy from both sides were poor, at best, but things had been escalating for quite a while at that point. We're not talking about the merits of secession in the 1850s. We're talking about the merits of flying Confederate flags at government buildings in 2015, with the benefit of hindsight.
Yes, I detailed the lead up to the war in the other thread. Tariff of 1828 was the beginning. Adding "free states" continued the beginning of the war.
But my point is that the Confederate flag can have more than one meaning. People who have lived in the south all their lives undoubtedly lost a relative under that flag. That might just mean something to them.
Flying over a gov't building? Meh. Shouldn't be a big deal either way. And, of course, the start of the renewed cause to remove it was Dylann Roof. Not related in any way.