Great Baseball Sayings and Curious Facts Topic

Bobby Cox and Joe Torre on the 2000 win list?
2/12/2016 10:13 AM
Posted by skunk206 on 2/12/2016 10:13:00 AM (view original):
Bobby Cox and Joe Torre on the 2000 win list?
Yes.

Still two more out there.
2/12/2016 10:58 AM
I'll go with Steve Stone for ERA & Felix Hernandez for wins on the Cy Young questions
2/12/2016 11:16 AM
Posted by nockahoma on 2/12/2016 11:16:00 AM (view original):
I'll go with Steve Stone for ERA & Felix Hernandez for wins on the Cy Young questions
Hernandez is correct.

Stone is an excellent guess...he had a 3.23 ERA in 1980, one of the highest ever for a Cy Young winner...but there's someone with an ERA quite a bit higher than that.
2/12/2016 11:27 AM
John Denny? Pete Vukovich? I seem to remember it's from this era...
2/12/2016 11:28 AM
Gene Mauch on the manager's list - but no World Series wins if I recall.

and...Wilbert Robinson ?
2/12/2016 11:36 AM
Vuckovich is another very good guess...the answer is Lamarr Hoyt (1983, 3.66)
2/12/2016 11:37 AM
Posted by italyprof on 2/12/2016 11:36:00 AM (view original):
Gene Mauch on the manager's list - but no World Series wins if I recall.

and...Wilbert Robinson ?
The other 2 are:

Walter Alston and....

Bucky Harris
2/12/2016 11:38 AM
Posted by contrarian23 on 2/12/2016 11:37:00 AM (view original):
Vuckovich is another very good guess...the answer is Lamarr Hoyt (1983, 3.66)
I knew it was an 80's guy!
2/12/2016 11:55 AM
Great questions. 

I want to change the subject just for a minute. Then back to trivia to our hearts' content.

It's about the Grover Cleveland Alexander (I REFUSE to call him Pete) - Tony Lazzeri confrontation that determined the outcome of the 1926 World Series. 

The dominant narrative of that match-up has bothered me for a while. The story, as told by Ken Burns and others is that Alexander, on his last legs, his arm almost fallen off, old, grisled and past his prime had one last hurrah, one last moment in the sun, against the odds, against the fearsome Yankees and the awesome Tony Lazzeri. 

First, the Yankees were not yet "The Yankees" - 1927 and 1928 had not happened yet. In 1924-5 the AL champs were the Washington Senators.  The Yankees were back in the Series in 1926 and had to go 7 games to have a chance to win.

It is true that Lazzeri had 114 RBI in 1926 and was a very good hitter. But he hit .275 in 1926. He had a .335 OBP and struck out 92 times in 700 PA. He was a very good hitter, not a great one. 

He was also a rookie playing in the World Series for the first time with the whole fate of his team, which was behind in the score late in the deciding game, resting on his shoulders and was up against one of the greatest and most famous pitchers who ever lived. 

Alexander was no spring chicken in 1926, true. He had been traded to the Cards by the Cubs mid-season. 

He had pitched 15 years in MLB at that point - meaning he was Roger Clemens in 1999 or 2000 if you like. Tough and far from done.

In 1926 he pitched 200 innings, 148 of them for the Cardinals. He went 12-10, with a 3.05 ERA and his WHIP was 1.08. This at the height of the hitters' era that was the 1920s. 

The year before he had pitched in 236 innings and had a WHIP of 1.27, winning 15 games. 

He had regularly pitched, not just 300 but  in some years 400 innings in the 1910s, but granted that was a while back at that point.

But he was FAR from being on his last legs: in 1927, the following season after striking out Lazzeri in the Series, he pitched 268 innings, went 21-10, had an ERA of 2.52 and a WHIP of 1.16. In 1928 he threw 228 innings, won 16 games, had an ERA of 3.36 and a WHIP of 1.23.

In 1929, three full seasons after the Lazzeri showdown, he threw 132 innings, won 9 games and had a respectable, especially for that era, WHIP of 1.30. 

He pitched less effectively in 9 games in 1930. 

I would say he had a little left to pitch to one rookie batter who was under the pressure of the whole World Series in 1926, wouldn't you say so?

In other words, the odds were very much against Tony Lazzeri in that at-bat, and while Grover Cleveland Alexander belongs in the conversation of say, which 10 pitchers deserve to be considered candidates for the greatest pitcher ever, his strike out of a rookie second baseman in the World Series of 1926 was just part of the great career. The real miracle that should have gone down in baseball legend would have been if Lazzeri had doubled to give the Yankees the lead and the Series against one of the very greatest pitchers ever having a very good season. 
2/12/2016 12:20 PM
Posted by ozomatli on 2/12/2016 9:00:00 AM (view original):
Who are the only five players to reach base 300 times in a season they were under 23 years old during?
Didn't Bryce do it last  year?
2/12/2016 12:58 PM
Posted by italyprof on 2/12/2016 9:35:00 AM (view original):

One more:

 

Who hit the most home runs ever in a single ballpark?

Sosa at Wrigley?
2/12/2016 1:03 PM
No, good guess though. Sosa is second most ever if my stats are right.
2/12/2016 1:12 PM
Frank Thomas?
2/12/2016 1:24 PM
Posted by toddcommish on 2/12/2016 12:58:00 PM (view original):
Posted by ozomatli on 2/12/2016 9:00:00 AM (view original):
Who are the only five players to reach base 300 times in a season they were under 23 years old during?
Didn't Bryce do it last  year?
Yep!

So far we have
Bryce Harper
Mike Trout
Ted Williams

Two to go
2/12/2016 1:45 PM
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