Posted by toonarmy on 3/23/2016 11:26:00 AM (view original):
These are monster players. I've had a handful of Final Four runs at D3 but I'm not sure I've come across any guys like this on my team or on the other team. Stunning that some of these guys can fall so far through the cracks.

I can't speak for the others, but with Hendricks, he was (1) from Alaska and (2) improved a ridiculous amount over the course of his career--27 points in ATH (39 to 66), 43 in SPD (56 to 99), 45 in DEF (35 to 80), 73 in PER (26 to 99), 28 in BH (43 to 71), and 35 in passing (47 to 82). Makes it a little easier to see how he slipped through the cracks. That kind of improvement is a once-in-a-career find.

	Name	Year	Pos	School	A	SPD	REB	DE	BLK	LP	PE	BH	P	WE	ST	DU	FT	TOT
1.	Jeremy Grand	Sr.	SG	New York U.	76	84	28	83	4	68	80	83	43	75	86	86	C+	796

Mr. Grand is still black in PER, LP, DEF and PASS.

He was a JUCO I redshirted. I am pretty sure I pulled him down. I don't remember a huge battle for him, he kinda just fell in my lap.

Posted by Trentonjoe on 3/23/2016 11:41:00 AM (view original):

	Name	Year	Pos	School	A	SPD	REB	DE	BLK	LP	PE	BH	P	WE	ST	DU	FT	TOT
1.	Jeremy Grand	Sr.	SG	New York U.	76	84	28	83	4	68	80	83	43	75	86	86	C+	796

Mr. Grand is still black in PER, LP, DEF and PASS.

He was a JUCO I redshirted. I am pretty sure I pulled him down. I don't remember a huge battle for him, he kinda just fell in my lap.

This might be the best in this thread. Nuts.

Posted by Trentonjoe on 3/23/2016 11:41:00 AM (view original):

	Name	Year	Pos	School	A	SPD	REB	DE	BLK	LP	PE	BH	P	WE	ST	DU	FT	TOT
1.	Jeremy Grand	Sr.	SG	New York U.	76	84	28	83	4	68	80	83	43	75	86	86	C+	796

Mr. Grand is still black in PER, LP, DEF and PASS.

He was a JUCO I redshirted. I am pretty sure I pulled him down. I don't remember a huge battle for him, he kinda just fell in my lap.

I'd borrow him for my D2 team.

And by "borrow," I mean "start"...nice grab!!

A number of these players would be useful on D1 teams. There was recently a player signed by an A-prestige team in Knight after a battle between multiple big six schools. Assuming 7 points for avg and 20 points for high, he will end up as follows:

ATH: 52
SPD: 92
REB: 18
DEF: 55
SB: 8
LP: 12
PER: 98
BH: 88
P: 70
ST: 82

I think you can make a solid argument for taking Hendricks over him, and probably Grand as well.

Hey! You're talking about the guy I signed at Georgia Tech. Trying to publicly shame me for that signing I see.

I definitely agree with you though. I would probably rather have Hendricks than him. He's maybe one of the worst players I've ever signed at a big 6 school in D1, but I needed an elite PER scorer and he was the best of the leftovers. That said, he is high-high in ATH and P, so he will be a little better than you suggested. Also, the benefit of a player like him over the guys in this thread is that he started with higher ratings...thus able to produce sooner. Of course, that's the difference between D1 and D3 players.

While I'm here, I'll post a few of my best D3 players that I think compete with the players in this thread:

Sergio Hernandez: https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerHistory/Ratings.aspx?&pid=2817828

Spencer Bryan: https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerHistory/Ratings.aspx?&pid=2772661

Andrew Bunch: https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerHistory/Ratings.aspx?&pid=2690378

All three guys were on overlapping teams, each separated by one class, and they helped me win back-to-back championships at Millsaps. In Hernandez's senior year I reached the championship for the third consecutive year, only to be upset by jsajsa's Southwestern. On those teams, I also had a 90 ATH/90 REB/80 DEF big man and a few other 90 DEF players. Man those were the glory days. Seems much harder to find players like these guys lately.

Anyway, I think Hernandez is the best of the trio listed above, though there's probably an argument to be made for Bryan and his elite post ratings. Hernandez is certainly among the best in this thread. He bests Grand in ratings. However, Grand seems to have the potential to be better, which is really crazy. Hendricks is the best scorer most likely. All three guys are amazing of course. Can't go wrong choosing among the best of the best.

Not the best Big in the world but this guy was my favorite player since he was such an efficient scorer.

18.4 ppg shooting 61.7% with only 1.1 turnover. And he did it in only 14.2 mpg! His FT wasn't great, probably hurt him a little bit overall.

https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerHistory/Stats.aspx?tid=7649&pid=3121422

Posted by tarvolon on 3/23/2016 11:32:00 AM (view original):

Posted by toonarmy on 3/23/2016 11:26:00 AM (view original):
These are monster players. I've had a handful of Final Four runs at D3 but I'm not sure I've come across any guys like this on my team or on the other team. Stunning that some of these guys can fall so far through the cracks.

I can't speak for the others, but with Hendricks, he was (1) from Alaska and (2) improved a ridiculous amount over the course of his career--27 points in ATH (39 to 66), 43 in SPD (56 to 99), 45 in DEF (35 to 80), 73 in PER (26 to 99), 28 in BH (43 to 71), and 35 in passing (47 to 82). Makes it a little easier to see how he slipped through the cracks. That kind of improvement is a once-in-a-career find.

While I agree with your ratings are better not sure I agree he is better than my guy for a career avg 5 more ppg more apg and Damn near shot 50% from the three and that's taking over 1200 of them. To me a much more efficient player. Hendricks might have been a better D2 player but at D3 I'll take Smithey.

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Posted by toonarmy on 3/23/2016 11:26:00 AM (view original):
These are monster players. I've had a handful of Final Four runs at D3 but I'm not sure I've come across any guys like this on my team or on the other team. Stunning that some of these guys can fall so far through the cracks.

I can't speak for the others, but with Hendricks, he was (1) from Alaska and (2) improved a ridiculous amount over the course of his career--27 points in ATH (39 to 66), 43 in SPD (56 to 99), 45 in DEF (35 to 80), 73 in PER (26 to 99), 28 in BH (43 to 71), and 35 in passing (47 to 82). Makes it a little easier to see how he slipped through the cracks. That kind of improvement is a once-in-a-career find.

While I agree with your ratings are better not sure I agree he is better than my guy for a career avg 5 more ppg more apg and Damn near shot 50% from the three and that's taking over 1200 of them. To me a much more efficient player. Hendricks might have been a better D2 player but at D3 I'll take Smithey.

Smithey played against the 10, 42, 36, 17 SOS, while Hendrix played against the 1,6,3,2. If you switched them Hendricks would have incredible stats while Smithey would have a significant drop off.

Hendricks is a better D2 and D3 player and it's not close. Smithey isn't bad, but he's a good player you see quite often really, you see very few guys of Henricks talent.

I don't understand how you think theres a difference at D2/D3 the better D2 player is the better D3 player.

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Posted by toonarmy on 3/23/2016 11:26:00 AM (view original):
These are monster players. I've had a handful of Final Four runs at D3 but I'm not sure I've come across any guys like this on my team or on the other team. Stunning that some of these guys can fall so far through the cracks.

I can't speak for the others, but with Hendricks, he was (1) from Alaska and (2) improved a ridiculous amount over the course of his career--27 points in ATH (39 to 66), 43 in SPD (56 to 99), 45 in DEF (35 to 80), 73 in PER (26 to 99), 28 in BH (43 to 71), and 35 in passing (47 to 82). Makes it a little easier to see how he slipped through the cracks. That kind of improvement is a once-in-a-career find.

While I agree with your ratings are better not sure I agree he is better than my guy for a career avg 5 more ppg more apg and Damn near shot 50% from the three and that's taking over 1200 of them. To me a much more efficient player. Hendricks might have been a better D2 player but at D3 I'll take Smithey.

Using stats to compare these players isn't too useful, because we know nothing about team SOS or teammates' ability. Both factors greatly impact a player's stats. You're also ignoring defense in this player comparison because it doesn't show up in individual stats. Hendricks is leaps and bounds better in that regard, and honestly in every other regard despite your guy's better stats.

That's not to say that your guy isn't good...because he certainly is a fantastic offensive player. But, Hendricks is an all-time player on both sides of the ball at the D3 level.

Posted by the0nlyis on 3/23/2016 10:23:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by toonarmy on 3/23/2016 11:26:00 AM (view original):
These are monster players. I've had a handful of Final Four runs at D3 but I'm not sure I've come across any guys like this on my team or on the other team. Stunning that some of these guys can fall so far through the cracks.

I can't speak for the others, but with Hendricks, he was (1) from Alaska and (2) improved a ridiculous amount over the course of his career--27 points in ATH (39 to 66), 43 in SPD (56 to 99), 45 in DEF (35 to 80), 73 in PER (26 to 99), 28 in BH (43 to 71), and 35 in passing (47 to 82). Makes it a little easier to see how he slipped through the cracks. That kind of improvement is a once-in-a-career find.

While I agree with your ratings are better not sure I agree he is better than my guy for a career avg 5 more ppg more apg and Damn near shot 50% from the three and that's taking over 1200 of them. To me a much more efficient player. Hendricks might have been a better D2 player but at D3 I'll take Smithey.

Smithey played against the 10, 42, 36, 17 SOS, while Hendrix played against the 1,6,3,2. If you switched them Hendricks would have incredible stats while Smithey would have a significant drop off.

Hendricks is a better D2 and D3 player and it's not close. Smithey isn't bad, but he's a good player you see quite often really, you see very few guys of Henricks talent.

I don't understand how you think theres a difference at D2/D3 the better D2 player is the better D3 player.

Haha...and I see we basically said the same thing. Glad we agree. ;)

Some more guys to look at:

Pure offensive machine psmith17 in tark

Another insane offense with strong defense from tark by oldave

I found the more efficient Zeyer by duece_duece in tark as well

Here's a legit big man haven't seen any elite big man posted here by TJ in wooden

Another insane Maryville player by tarvolon in Crum

The A- FT in the FB/Press is elite boost by worldofnoah in Knight

Elite scoring big man that had 65 bh above average defense with solid cores by the0nlyIS in Knight

Forgot about him, but this guy is my best "pure" non true scoring PG by the0nlyIS in Knight

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Posted by toonarmy on 3/23/2016 11:26:00 AM (view original):
These are monster players. I've had a handful of Final Four runs at D3 but I'm not sure I've come across any guys like this on my team or on the other team. Stunning that some of these guys can fall so far through the cracks.

I can't speak for the others, but with Hendricks, he was (1) from Alaska and (2) improved a ridiculous amount over the course of his career--27 points in ATH (39 to 66), 43 in SPD (56 to 99), 45 in DEF (35 to 80), 73 in PER (26 to 99), 28 in BH (43 to 71), and 35 in passing (47 to 82). Makes it a little easier to see how he slipped through the cracks. That kind of improvement is a once-in-a-career find.

While I agree with your ratings are better not sure I agree he is better than my guy for a career avg 5 more ppg more apg and Damn near shot 50% from the three and that's taking over 1200 of them. To me a much more efficient player. Hendricks might have been a better D2 player but at D3 I'll take Smithey.

Smithey played against the 10, 42, 36, 17 SOS, while Hendrix played against the 1,6,3,2. If you switched them Hendricks would have incredible stats while Smithey would have a significant drop off.

Hendricks is a better D2 and D3 player and it's not close. Smithey isn't bad, but he's a good player you see quite often really, you see very few guys of Henricks talent.

I don't understand how you think theres a difference at D2/D3 the better D2 player is the better D3 player.

Haha...and I see we basically said the same thing. Glad we agree. ;)

Yea Hendricks could easily play D1, I'd take him on all my non major D1 schools and probably my Miss State rebuild.

Smithey I'm not even sure if I'd recruit at D3 for personal choices, but I could see him going up to D2 to a S16 team. Taking him at any D1 team would be bad. But was a great D3 offensive player.

Right now in my opinion Hendricks is #1, Grand is #2 he might end up #1 if he maxes. I still think Zeyer is #3, his team was really not that talented, he would've been much more efficient and still 25+ ppg on a stacked team and rating wise he's elite which is more important.