Herb Washington's WAR Topic

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5/13/2016 11:46 AM
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Sounds like, according to whoever wrote the back of Herbert's 1975 card, his WAR for 1975 was 9.0.

BL, can you confirm???
5/13/2016 11:47 AM
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https://www.whatifsports.com/forums/Posts.aspx?ForumID=1&TopicID=459740&ThreadID=9996449#l_9996449

Just going to leave this here.
5/13/2016 12:05 PM
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Oh, cool.

That's the thread in which you said "I don't see how (Miguel) Cabrera is even in the discussion" for 2012 AL MVP despite his triple crown offensive season for a playoff team.

Brilliant!
5/13/2016 12:40 PM
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Posted by tecwrg on 5/13/2016 12:40:00 PM (view original):
Oh, cool.

That's the thread in which you said "I don't see how (Miguel) Cabrera is even in the discussion" for 2012 AL MVP despite his triple crown offensive season for a playoff team.

Brilliant!
I don't see Cabrera's 2012 on your list of historic seasons. Hmmm, but you do have Trout's 2012 listed.

Interesting.
5/13/2016 1:32 PM
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It seems that you don't even know what I was arguing in that thread.

Shocking.
5/13/2016 1:36 PM
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Pretty sure you were arguing this:

For a position player, one can use these numbers to argue that Trout has had one of the three best seasons (again, discounting Bonds) of any position player over the past 40 years.

5/13/2016 1:38 PM
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That was part of it.

Do you disagree?

Do you have a point, or are you just throwing random **** around because you said something stupid in the other tread and are attempting to deflect?
5/13/2016 1:49 PM
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I don't disagree with what you said in October of 2012.

Speaking of throwing random **** around, didn't you start this thread just to troll me?
5/13/2016 1:53 PM
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Of course.

"Herb was personally responsible for winning 9 games for the A's in 1974 with his speed" = WAR of 9.0.

After all, stats = skill.

Agree or disagree?
5/13/2016 1:56 PM
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I mean, someone with your intelligence level probably would think that that sentence equals Herb had a WAR of 9.

But you also think pitcher win/loss record is a valuable stat.
5/13/2016 2:08 PM
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So Herb was not personally responsible for winning 9 games for the A's in 1974?

Have you written to Topps to have them correct such a blatantly false statement?

Maybe you can explain WAR to them and how it works.
5/13/2016 2:19 PM
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And let's say a starting pitcher goes 18-4 for ten straight seasons. You would have no idea if he was a good pitcher or not?
5/13/2016 2:21 PM
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WAR is stupid and you should be ashamed for using it
5/13/2016 2:25 PM
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Quote post by tecwrg on 10/3/2012 1:58:00 PM:
Posted by tecwrg on 10/3/2012 1:39:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 10/3/2012 1:24:00 PM (view original):
Makes more sense to you because you're a statnerd. Playoffs makes more sense to me because I'm a team-oriented guy. If you're not contributing to a common goal, or you fail in reaching that common goal, you're less valuable.

The knock on A-Roid was always how he comes up big when it doesn't matter. A stat-compiler.

I'll say it again, Trout had a fine season. Not a historical season. Since he's not going to be on the TV in October, no one will remember his season in a few years. If Cabrera comes up big, or stinks out loud, in October, people will recall his Triple Crown or his near TC.
You're still downplaying Trout's performance by saying it's "not a historical season".

From baseball-reference.com, I'm only counting seven players in the past 40 years who have posted a higher season WAR than Trout has this season. And two of those are Barry Bonds' 'roided-up 2001-2002 seasons, so I'd throw them out.

FYI . . .

Joe Morgan (1975) - 10.8
Dwight Gooden (1985) - 13.0
Cal Ripken (1991) - 11.3
Roger Clemens (1997) - 11.8
Pedro Martinez (2000) - 11.4

For a position player, one can use these numbers to argue that Trout has had one of the three best seasons (again, discounting Bonds) of any position player over the past 40 years.

That can be considered somewhat historical.

A little more detail.

Position players since 1928 with WAR of 10.7 or higher:

Mike Trout (2012) - 10.7
Barry Bonds (2002) - 11.6
Barry Bonds (2001) - 11.6
Cal Ripken (1991) - 11.3
Joe Morgan (1975) - 10.8
Carl Yastrzemski (1967) - 12.0
Willie Mays (1965) - 10.9
Willie Mays (1964) - 10.7
Mickey Mantle (1957) - 11.1
Mickey Mantle (1956) - 11.0
Stan Musial (1948) - 10.8
Ted Williams (1946) - 10.7

http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/WAR_top_ten.shtml

That's only 11 seasons of 10.7+ over the past 85 years.

Sounds "historical" to me.

Also, a couple of guys named Ruth, Gehrig, Hornsby and Cobb also had a shitload (9, actually) of 10.7+ seasons between 1917 and 1927.


5/13/2016 2:41 PM
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