Posted by dahsdebater on 5/27/2016 4:50:00 PM (view original):
I never said he has middle-of-the-road stuff. I said he doesn't have 3 plus-plus pitches. I'm saying he has Zach Greinke stuff, not Clayton Kershaw stuff.
If anything, the Cliff Lee comp makes my point for me. I think most fans would agree that he basically made something very close to the most he could have out of his arm. Cliff Lee won 1 Cy Young award and, barring a wildly unexpected career renaissance, is likely not a HOF candidate. He has 143 career wins and that's likely it for him.
Again, those numbers are good. But I think if you asked a bunch of Dodgers fans how they'd feel about Urias winning 143 games in his career, they'd mostly think you were horribly lowballing the guy. I'm not saying I don't like him, but I think people get too excited about prospects. They're called prospects for a reason, and the highest-touted guys fail to live up to expectations far more often than not. This seems like a particularly egregious case because of the relatively limited upside to Urias relative to a lot of top pitching prospects.
Again. Dahsebedeter says Urias doesn't have 3 ++ pitches but the people who know say he does.
And you say you 'feel' like he's gonna be average. But - again - others in the know say he's special. He has a feel for the zone.
That said, I generally agree with what you are saying. But your fixation on wins is retarded. If you don't think so, google "Nolan Ryan 1987' and then get back to me about how great wins are.
And this is for BL - you're ******* right if you think that if dahs comes back with anything about 'Nolan Ryan 1987' I will absolutely make the argument that he was the best pitcher in baseball that year - no matter what WAR and ERA+ say about it.