That seems to be a somewhat common theme from those who dislike the beta. That it feels like a "chore", or a "job" or too much "work". Perhaps what's being forgotten in all of this is that this is a "game". A place where someone can escape all the "chores, and jobs, and extra work' that the real world is continuously dumping on us.

When a "game" starts too feel too much like "work" or a "job" or a "chore", then it ceases to be a game, doesn't it?

Punish is another common theme for those who dislike the beta. I pretty much stop reading posts after seeing that word.

The flip side to this is if you enjoy spending time on the game, then this gives you more to do. So, if you are paying a certain amount to be entertained for a certain number of hours, and now new features add more time to what you enjoy, then this is actually a better value.

But I think it would be nice to have the one click option like before, for those who don't want to spend extra time.

Honestly though, this time around, it didn't take me all that long to get my list. I would like to see a sort feature, where you can single out a group of recruits you have already discovered based on minimum ratings. That would be a time saver. But for me, this time around it went MUCH faster, probably because I figured out what I was doing and a good strategy, and everything worked properly, for the most part.

If I had to guess, in the current version, I spend about 20 minutes getting a target list together, whereas in this one I spend maybe 45 minutes. But because of the lack or a sort function, and because you can't mark multiple players high or low at one time, that part takes longer now. But, I actually enjoy the extra time, and because scouting is able to be done over a much longer period, I don't "feel" rushed to do it, like I often do in the current version. In the current version, if I have no carry over, I know I have 36 hours to scout and prepare for recruiting. In this one, it's way longer.

After BETA season II I am fairly sure I will play one season with each of my teams then PARK my credits and wait it out until Seble is replaced or HD just goes away.

He clearly needed to be working with coaches on this update from the start before running off on his own. There are so many things wrong with this new system I don't know how he will fix it without scrapping the main idea.

Posted by dcy0827 on 6/27/2016 3:53:00 PM (view original):
That seems to be a somewhat common theme from those who dislike the beta. That it feels like a "chore", or a "job" or too much "work". Perhaps what's being forgotten in all of this is that this is a "game". A place where someone can escape all the "chores, and jobs, and extra work' that the real world is continuously dumping on us.

When a "game" starts too feel too much like "work" or a "job" or a "chore", then it ceases to be a game, doesn't it?

Preach, Erik

Posted by dcy0827 on 6/27/2016 3:53:00 PM (view original):
That seems to be a somewhat common theme from those who dislike the beta. That it feels like a "chore", or a "job" or too much "work". Perhaps what's being forgotten in all of this is that this is a "game". A place where someone can escape all the "chores, and jobs, and extra work' that the real world is continuously dumping on us.

When a "game" starts too feel too much like "work" or a "job" or a "chore", then it ceases to be a game, doesn't it?

This

Posted by Trentonjoe on 6/27/2016 4:13:00 PM (view original):
Punish is another common theme for those who dislike the beta. I pretty much stop reading posts after seeing that word.

I usually get annoyed when I see posts that don;t actually post anything except for calling the people against the beta "haters"

still nothing but "the sky is falling for them" or they say the word "punish so I discount anything"

how bout you actually try to come up with a word for the EE debacle? instead of just saying I discredit anyone who says the word punish... you guys for the beta seem to have trouble actually doing that.

Posted by chapelhillne on 6/27/2016 4:14:00 PM (view original):
The flip side to this is if you enjoy spending time on the game, then this gives you more to do. So, if you are paying a certain amount to be entertained for a certain number of hours, and now new features add more time to what you enjoy, then this is actually a better value.

But I think it would be nice to have the one click option like before, for those who don't want to spend extra time.

Honestly though, this time around, it didn't take me all that long to get my list. I would like to see a sort feature, where you can single out a group of recruits you have already discovered based on minimum ratings. That would be a time saver. But for me, this time around it went MUCH faster, probably because I figured out what I was doing and a good strategy, and everything worked properly, for the most part.

If I had to guess, in the current version, I spend about 20 minutes getting a target list together, whereas in this one I spend maybe 45 minutes. But because of the lack or a sort function, and because you can't mark multiple players high or low at one time, that part takes longer now. But, I actually enjoy the extra time, and because scouting is able to be done over a much longer period, I don't "feel" rushed to do it, like I often do in the current version. In the current version, if I have no carry over, I know I have 36 hours to scout and prepare for recruiting. In this one, it's way longer.

jesus christ chapel that might even been stupider than your coaches leaving is a good thing shtick(wait nevermind thats alltime #1 wall of shame posts)

if you weren't good at this game I'd honestly think you were full on stupid with the **** you've tried to use to "defend" the beta..

really clicking to level 4 now means you are spending more time on the game and getting bang for your buck? I don't think clicking scout to level 4 is anyone's idea of "fun" especially when the first 2 levels are 100% useless and level 3 is pretty a waste!

would you like it if I hid your car keys every morning, because it means you spend more time doing stuff related to the car you own and therefor I'm increasing the "bang" for your buck even though I'm doing nothing positive and am just a huge inconvience, while still getting you the same information!(oh but maybe I tell you where your car is instead of having to look for it and getting lost)

Posted by viva_il_re on 6/28/2016 9:47:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 6/27/2016 4:13:00 PM (view original):
Punish is another common theme for those who dislike the beta. I pretty much stop reading posts after seeing that word.

I usually get annoyed when I see posts that don;t actually post anything except for calling the people against the beta "haters"

still nothing but "the sky is falling for them" or they say the word "punish so I discount anything"

how bout you actually try to come up with a word for the EE debacle? instead of just saying I discredit anyone who says the word punish... you guys for the beta seem to have trouble actually doing that.

I don't think the EE issue is a debacle. To me the people who lose (and recruit) guys who declare early have to change their mindset from 'I should be able to replace all my top 20 players with top 20 recruits".

I like anything that forces people to take risks in recruiting, I like systems that make it hard for a few upper echelon teams to dominate (and no I don't think d3 teams recruiting d1 players will cause the GD atmosphere that you predict, Ian), I like the fact people are going to have to fight for recruits in both recruiting periods.

What I don't like are the 100's of posts saying the same thing over and over. I specifically don't like being referred to as entitled or a socialist because I think the top teams in D1 have too big an advantage. The mindset of the top D1 coaches are being punished is comical to me. I mean I get it, people at the top know the system, like the system, think the system is good and don't really want what they have mastered to change but I quite frankly don't agree with 80% of what they say.

The two big issues right now, IMO, is the EBAY sniping of recruits and the fact that to many, to good recruits good through to the D3 teams. I think they are working on the first one and there at least is light at the end of the tunnel for the second.

"really clicking to level 4 now means you are spending more time on the game and getting bang for your buck? I don't think clicking scout to level 4 is anyone's idea of "fun" especially when the first 2 levels are 100% useless and level 3 is pretty a waste!"

1. Level 3 isn't a waste.
2. Making the decision to click to level 4 is the fun part for some of us.
3. I don't think you really understand the nuances of recruiting in the BETA, just cause you keep saying something doesn't make it right.
4. Finding players is kinda fun for some people, maybe it isn't for you but for some of us we like the challenge of gathering information as well as analyzing it.

Posted by dadbod on 6/29/2016 7:05:00 AM (view original):
"really clicking to level 4 now means you are spending more time on the game and getting bang for your buck? I don't think clicking scout to level 4 is anyone's idea of "fun" especially when the first 2 levels are 100% useless and level 3 is pretty a waste!"

1. Level 3 isn't a waste.
2. Making the decision to click to level 4 is the fun part for some of us.
3. I don't think you really understand the nuances of recruiting in the BETA, just cause you keep saying something doesn't make it right.
4. Finding players is kinda fun for some people, maybe it isn't for you but for some of us we like the challenge of gathering information as well as analyzing it.

1) At D1 it is a waste. It's fine at D2/D3
2) Glad you think it's fun. Seems like scouting is nothing but a chore now to me.
3) There are enough insults going around regarding beat already - let's can them please.
4) The current scouting system is COMPLETELY based on luck. You have no choice of who you get to "find", only on who happens to show up at camps or happens to be in a state you scouted blind. Luck based chores where recruiting strategy and options are much less than under the current system aren't fun to me, but that's my personal preference.

I respectfully disagree with #4 jsajsa. I think it "appears" luck depended because we haven't figured out the "best" way to work the system. I know I was able to find more and better recruits season 2 than season 1.

And this is a personal preference, but I really like the idea of having to find players. I think the strategy of the new game is different, not less or more.

so the way ac scout, camps work and the level 1 scouting info is not luck? what is it then, please explain?

I'm down for having to find players, I'm not down for added barriers that make no sense other than just to hide players from me for the sake of hiding players.

Posted by dadbod on 6/29/2016 7:05:00 AM (view original):
"really clicking to level 4 now means you are spending more time on the game and getting bang for your buck? I don't think clicking scout to level 4 is anyone's idea of "fun" especially when the first 2 levels are 100% useless and level 3 is pretty a waste!"

1. Level 3 isn't a waste.
2. Making the decision to click to level 4 is the fun part for some of us.
3. I don't think you really understand the nuances of recruiting in the BETA, just cause you keep saying something doesn't make it right.
4. Finding players is kinda fun for some people, maybe it isn't for you but for some of us we like the challenge of gathering information as well as analyzing it.

level 3 is a waste at D1 okay at D2/D3 since you know the corresponding values, but level 3 is a waste on any red traits at D1 since those values are so broad like ath making a guy either not big 6 worthy or big 6 worthy with its broad range.

how about the "forced decision to get to level 3 in the first place, there's 0 arguement you can make to say 1 and 2 are any good

congrats you are entertained by clicking a button to level 4, a lot of us aren't and don't want to spend a whole lot of time doing just that.

I'm down for having to find info like I've said but right now you are just hiding information just to hide it, not actually doing a good job of making the process to scouting any good.

Would you like it if I hid your keys every morning? It's useless but you seem to the like hide and go seek game. Once you find your keys nothing different happens than before when I wasn't hiding them, all I do it turn your car on still, but you get more "bang" for your buck since now you spend more time with your car by looking for the keys.....

Posted by dadbod on 6/29/2016 7:01:00 AM (view original):

Posted by viva_il_re on 6/28/2016 9:47:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 6/27/2016 4:13:00 PM (view original):
Punish is another common theme for those who dislike the beta. I pretty much stop reading posts after seeing that word.

I usually get annoyed when I see posts that don;t actually post anything except for calling the people against the beta "haters"

still nothing but "the sky is falling for them" or they say the word "punish so I discount anything"

how bout you actually try to come up with a word for the EE debacle? instead of just saying I discredit anyone who says the word punish... you guys for the beta seem to have trouble actually doing that.

I don't think the EE issue is a debacle. To me the people who lose (and recruit) guys who declare early have to change their mindset from 'I should be able to replace all my top 20 players with top 20 recruits".

I like anything that forces people to take risks in recruiting, I like systems that make it hard for a few upper echelon teams to dominate (and no I don't think d3 teams recruiting d1 players will cause the GD atmosphere that you predict, Ian), I like the fact people are going to have to fight for recruits in both recruiting periods.

What I don't like are the 100's of posts saying the same thing over and over. I specifically don't like being referred to as entitled or a socialist because I think the top teams in D1 have too big an advantage. The mindset of the top D1 coaches are being punished is comical to me. I mean I get it, people at the top know the system, like the system, think the system is good and don't really want what they have mastered to change but I quite frankly don't agree with 80% of what they say.

The two big issues right now, IMO, is the EBAY sniping of recruits and the fact that to many, to good recruits good through to the D3 teams. I think they are working on the first one and there at least is light at the end of the tunnel for the second.

Wow, dadbod, it is nice to see a voice of reason in these otherwise toxic forums. I had to check whether I was in the regular forums or the beta forums, where reason isn't so rare.

From what I see in the beta, the ranking system for recruits is pretty screwed up, and only a tiny handful of worthwhile recruits have actually fallen through the cracks. D3 coaches get a crack at them only if all D1 coaches allow them to fall. D3 coaches, with their severely limited budgets, cannot ever take a recruit from a D1 school unless the D1 school allows it. Do you really think in this context that there are "too many" worthwhile recruits falling to D3?