Under the current system, all income is taxed the same way (W2 income, ignoring investment income, etc). The first $10k (or whatever) that we both make is taxed exactly the same.

The next X amount is taxed exactly the same for both of us. If that's all the money you make, that's all the taxes you pay. If you make Y on top of that, then Y gets taxed at another rate. If I also make Y, I also pay the rate on Y.

Thats fair.

Its not unfair that we tax the twenty thousandth dollar that you make at 15% and the three hundred and ninety thousandth dollar that you make at 38% because everyone is subject to the same schedule.

It's still an unequal effective tax rate.

How is that considered "fair share"?

I'm a big fan of Clinton's jobs creation plan. She's going to somehow tax companies that choose to leave the country, and use that money (that she'll never get) to create good paying jobs. That's her plan.

Neither candidate has done much of anything in terms of coming up with viable solutions to the problems we face because viable solutions are difficult and everyone just wants the easy way out. We've been taking the easy way out for a long time now and it just keeps getting worse and worse.

Again, I think you could argue that paying different dollar amounts (but the same effective rate) is also unfair.

Posted by bad_luck on 9/28/2016 1:08:00 PM (view original):
Again, I think you could argue that paying different dollar amounts (but the same effective rate) is also unfair.

Let's hear you try to make that argument.

9-9-9!

Posted by tecwrg on 9/28/2016 1:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 9/28/2016 1:08:00 PM (view original):
Again, I think you could argue that paying different dollar amounts (but the same effective rate) is also unfair.

Let's hear you try to make that argument.

That's pretty much it, right? You paid $6,000 in taxes, I paid $11,000. Unfair.

Posted by bad_luck on 9/28/2016 1:29:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 9/28/2016 1:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 9/28/2016 1:08:00 PM (view original):
Again, I think you could argue that paying different dollar amounts (but the same effective rate) is also unfair.

Let's hear you try to make that argument.

That's pretty much it, right? You paid $6,000 in taxes, I paid $11,000. Unfair.

If I pay $6,000 in taxes on $60,000 income, and you pay $11,000 in taxes on $110,000 income, that's perfectly fair.

Care to try again?

Posted by tecwrg on 9/28/2016 1:33:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 9/28/2016 1:29:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 9/28/2016 1:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 9/28/2016 1:08:00 PM (view original):
Again, I think you could argue that paying different dollar amounts (but the same effective rate) is also unfair.

Let's hear you try to make that argument.

That's pretty much it, right? You paid $6,000 in taxes, I paid $11,000. Unfair.

If I pay $6,000 in taxes on $60,000 income, and you pay $11,000 in taxes on $110,000 income, that's perfectly fair.

Care to try again?

Because you say so?

So, to you, it's only fair if everyone pays the exact same effective rate, is that correct?

Posted by bad_luck on 9/28/2016 1:40:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 9/28/2016 1:33:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 9/28/2016 1:29:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 9/28/2016 1:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 9/28/2016 1:08:00 PM (view original):
Again, I think you could argue that paying different dollar amounts (but the same effective rate) is also unfair.

Let's hear you try to make that argument.

That's pretty much it, right? You paid $6,000 in taxes, I paid $11,000. Unfair.

If I pay $6,000 in taxes on $60,000 income, and you pay $11,000 in taxes on $110,000 income, that's perfectly fair.

Care to try again?

Because you say so?

So, to you, it's only fair if everyone pays the exact same effective rate, is that correct?

"Only fair"? No. Most fair - yes.

That's assuming that most, if not all, deductions and/or methods of sheltering income are eliminated. There probably are some reasonable exceptions.

Would you allow for a poor exemption? Like say, the first $10k is exempt from taxes, after that everyone pays 25%?

Posted by raucous on 9/28/2016 1:27:00 PM (view original):
9-9-9!

wylie's dream coyote-girl?

Posted by bad_luck on 9/28/2016 1:49:00 PM (view original):
Would you allow for a poor exemption? Like say, the first $10k is exempt from taxes, after that everyone pays 25%?

I know you're trying to go down into the rathole with that question.

Ain't happening.

Um ok. Not my plan, we don't have to talk about it.

Well, in my absence, it seems there are several versions of "fair share" being discussed. If people can't agree on what it is, how the **** can you institute it?

Seriously, "fair share" is an election manta for vote. Politicians like the poor dumb and uneducated.

Dems: They're trying to keep their money and keep you down. We're here to help.
Repubs: They're trying to take your guns and let the fags marry. We're here to make sure that doesn't happen.
Poor: **** yeah!!! You got my vote!!!!