Lol at Ubaldo.

Cant believe buck didn't use Cy.

Yeah, I don't understand that one at all. I know Ubaldo has been "good" lately - in his last 7 starts, he's 5-2 with a 2.45 ERA. And he's still given up 6 first-inning runs in 7 starts. He can't pitch in the first inning. How can you bring a guy who can't pitch in his first inning into a game in extra innings? If you really didn't want to use Britton, Bundy would have been available. How can a 3-time Manager of the Year go to Ubaldo in that situation when there's anybody else with a pulse sitting in the bullpen?

Posted by dahsdebater on 10/4/2016 11:47:00 PM (view original):
Yeah, I don't understand that one at all. I know Ubaldo has been "good" lately - in his last 7 starts, he's 5-2 with a 2.45 ERA. And he's still given up 6 first-inning runs in 7 starts. He can't pitch in the first inning. How can you bring a guy who can't pitch in his first inning into a game in extra innings? If you really didn't want to use Britton, Bundy would have been available. How can a 3-time Manager of the Year go to Ubaldo in that situation when there's anybody else with a pulse sitting in the bullpen?

This is why Buck's teams all go to the WS right after he leaves. I ******* hate when managers save their closers on the road in the regular season, but I get it. Tonight, no excuse.

Buck needs to go.

ON THE BRIGHT SIDE: BRITTON WILL BE SUPER FRESH IN APRIL!

The Orioles are cheap. They don't have the horses to put them over the top. Thats why an Ubaldo Jiminez is even on that team.

Yes, because no one on that team is getting paid (including Ubaldo)

Posted by MikeT23 on 10/4/2016 8:37:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dahsdebater on 10/4/2016 8:07:00 PM (view original):
Obviously mostly defense... they contribute a whole lot more run prevention than anybody else.

So you lump "defense" and "pitching" together?

So, in your opinion, pitchers are the best defensive players in the game? I don't hear that very often. Is it a common opinion?

dahs? BL?

Posted by MikeT23 on 10/5/2016 8:10:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 10/4/2016 8:37:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dahsdebater on 10/4/2016 8:07:00 PM (view original):
Obviously mostly defense... they contribute a whole lot more run prevention than anybody else.

So you lump "defense" and "pitching" together?

So, in your opinion, pitchers are the best defensive players in the game? I don't hear that very often. Is it a common opinion?

dahs? BL?

I love it when mike pretends that he doesn't understand something so he can argue.

Are you sure Mike's pretending? After all, he is really, really stupid and has repeatedly shown there are a lot of simple things he doesn't understand (but will still argue).

Posted by bad_luck on 10/5/2016 9:30:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 10/5/2016 8:10:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 10/4/2016 8:37:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dahsdebater on 10/4/2016 8:07:00 PM (view original):
Obviously mostly defense... they contribute a whole lot more run prevention than anybody else.

So you lump "defense" and "pitching" together?

So, in your opinion, pitchers are the best defensive players in the game? I don't hear that very often. Is it a common opinion?

dahs? BL?

I love it when mike pretends that he doesn't understand something so he can argue.

All I'm saying is I don't hear "Kershaw is the best defensive player in the game." Countered with "No way, it's Madison Bumgarner."

Posted by MikeT23 on 10/5/2016 10:33:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 10/5/2016 9:30:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 10/5/2016 8:10:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 10/4/2016 8:37:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dahsdebater on 10/4/2016 8:07:00 PM (view original):
Obviously mostly defense... they contribute a whole lot more run prevention than anybody else.

So you lump "defense" and "pitching" together?

So, in your opinion, pitchers are the best defensive players in the game? I don't hear that very often. Is it a common opinion?

dahs? BL?

I love it when mike pretends that he doesn't understand something so he can argue.

All I'm saying is I don't hear "Kershaw is the best defensive player in the game." Countered with "No way, it's Madison Bumgarner."

Of course not. But if you're going to categorize pitching as either offense or defense, you understand why it would get grouped with defense, right?

Sure. But, if pitchers contribute a "whole lot more run prevention than anybody else", it seems to me that you'd see more pitchers winning, or at least top 3, in MVP voting. Unless, of course, you believe scoring is more important than preventing scoring.

Nonetheless, I'll get to the point. The MVP voting guidelines that some believe are "crystal clear" are anything but. They're vague. I'm not sure if that was intentional but there's a reason they vote rather than refer to one stat, let's say WAR, to determine who wins.

If Britton really was the best pitcher in the AL, one thinks that his manager would've found a way to get him into a do-or-die extra inning game.

It appears he's just a situational specialist and not the BEST pitcher in the AL. Too bad that situation never came up....

Posted by MikeT23 on 10/5/2016 10:56:00 AM (view original):
Sure. But, if pitchers contribute a "whole lot more run prevention than anybody else", it seems to me that you'd see more pitchers winning, or at least top 3, in MVP voting. Unless, of course, you believe scoring is more important than preventing scoring.

Nonetheless, I'll get to the point. The MVP voting guidelines that some believe are "crystal clear" are anything but. They're vague. I'm not sure if that was intentional but there's a reason they vote rather than refer to one stat, let's say WAR, to determine who wins.

The ballot doesn't lay out how you should determine the players with the best offense and defense, it specifically says that's up to the voter. But it is clear that voters should vote for the player who they think is the strongest on offense and defense.