Posted by p6453 on 10/12/2016 12:12:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bathtubhippo on 10/12/2016 12:05:00 PM (view original):
spud could be nicer but i do relate to his annoyance/frustration at seeing the continuous stream of the exact same topic here.

I think that's one of the bigger problems right now... every thread spirals into the same argument. There are too many knowledgeable Coaches in here, regardless of experience, for so much venom to be spewed. I think it falls on all of us to straighten this place up.

AMEN!

Seble scolded beta testers about complaining in the main forums during beta. This wave of discontent was going to shake out sooner or later, WIS asked for it to be delayed, and now here we are.

"My biggest problem with spud is when he makes stuff up or flat out lies."
Then that's no problem at all. I don't do either. So you'll have to try to find some other excuse for your "talking ****." Or just stop with the **** for a while.

Posted by p6453 on 10/12/2016 12:12:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bathtubhippo on 10/12/2016 12:05:00 PM (view original):
spud could be nicer but i do relate to his annoyance/frustration at seeing the continuous stream of the exact same topic here.

I think that's one of the bigger problems right now... every thread spirals into the same argument. There are too many knowledgeable Coaches in here, regardless of experience, for so much venom to be spewed. I think it falls on all of us to straighten this place up.

Totally agree, and I think I'll do my share going forward.

Posted by rogelio on 10/12/2016 10:30:00 AM (view original):
Post to win ratios:

• noleaniml = 7.7%
• p6453 = 16.1%
• rogelio = 17.7%
• Mully = 33%
• kcsun = 54.8%
• h-hog = 57.2%
• Spud = 345.1%

I think we can surmise each participant's priorities. [Edit-may have taken a shortcut that skews some of the %, but they are close enough.]

Do it by number of months your account's been registered next.

Posted by kcsundevil on 10/12/2016 12:28:00 PM (view original):
Seble scolded beta testers about complaining in the main forums during beta. This wave of discontent was going to shake out sooner or later, WIS asked for it to be delayed, and now here we are.

Why are the malcontents insisting on staying and trying to sabotage the forums? Does Seble asking for a more mature, respectful discussion absolve everyone of being responsible for their own individual behavior?

Posted by kcsundevil on 10/12/2016 12:28:00 PM (view original):
Seble scolded beta testers about complaining in the main forums during beta. This wave of discontent was going to shake out sooner or later, WIS asked for it to be delayed, and now here we are.

LOL. Now the truth comes out! It's all Seble's fault, and what most people see as hate posts is nothing but a "wave of discontent." That bad Seble! kc, I have to admit you had me laughing out loud. Thanks for injecting a little humor into the thread.

Posted by CoachSpud on 10/12/2016 12:46:00 PM (view original):

Posted by kcsundevil on 10/12/2016 12:28:00 PM (view original):
Seble scolded beta testers about complaining in the main forums during beta. This wave of discontent was going to shake out sooner or later, WIS asked for it to be delayed, and now here we are.

LOL. Now the truth comes out! It's all Seble's fault, and what most people see as hate posts is nothing but a "wave of discontent." That bad Seble! kc, I have to admit you had me laughing out loud. Thanks.

I didn't say it's all seble's fault.

Posted by rogelio on 10/12/2016 10:30:00 AM (view original):
Post to win ratios:

• noleaniml = 7.7%
• p6453 = 16.1%
• rogelio = 17.7%
• Mully = 33%
• kcsun = 54.8%
• h-hog = 57.2%
• Spud = 345.1%

I think we can surmise each participant's priorities. [Edit-may have taken a shortcut that skews some of the %, but they are close enough.]

hughesjr = 29% (2532 Posts / 8624 Wins)

Posted by p6453 on 10/12/2016 12:12:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bathtubhippo on 10/12/2016 12:05:00 PM (view original):
spud could be nicer but i do relate to his annoyance/frustration at seeing the continuous stream of the exact same topic here.

I think that's one of the bigger problems right now... every thread spirals into the same argument. There are too many knowledgeable Coaches in here, regardless of experience, for so much venom to be spewed. I think it falls on all of us to straighten this place up.

I don't disagree with this post, but one of the problems from the "haters" side is anytime we say we don't like something, we just get told to get over it, this is the way it is going to be, quit if you don't like it, etc. Those who are still here are moving past the old game for the most part and are starting to offer suggestions, but then guys like spud and a few others have to come in with their get over it remarks and things spiral. I am guilty for falling into this one often lately.

Notice, I did not say the "haters" side is innocent, but I'm giving the perspective from the side of those who dislike things as they are. The game should be in a very fluid state right now with tweaks on the horizon since this update is so new, but just like those who love the update are tired of those complaining, those who don't love the update are tired of being told to get over it. There is not a better time in the game to not get over it than there is right now as our voices should be heard still in forming the new game. Whether WIS is actually going to follow up on that as they've said is another story.

Posted by rogelio on 10/12/2016 10:30:00 AM (view original):
Post to win ratios:

• noleaniml = 7.7%
• p6453 = 16.1%
• rogelio = 17.7%
• Mully = 33%
• kcsun = 54.8%
• h-hog = 57.2%
• Spud = 345.1%

I think we can surmise each participant's priorities. [Edit-may have taken a shortcut that skews some of the %, but they are close enough.]

Hey rog - since crappy coaches can have long tenures and not ever learn anything about the game, can we see those stats with NT wins vs. posts ratio?

Posted by poncho0091 on 10/12/2016 7:27:00 PM (view original):

Posted by p6453 on 10/12/2016 12:12:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bathtubhippo on 10/12/2016 12:05:00 PM (view original):
spud could be nicer but i do relate to his annoyance/frustration at seeing the continuous stream of the exact same topic here.

I think that's one of the bigger problems right now... every thread spirals into the same argument. There are too many knowledgeable Coaches in here, regardless of experience, for so much venom to be spewed. I think it falls on all of us to straighten this place up.

I don't disagree with this post, but one of the problems from the "haters" side is anytime we say we don't like something, we just get told to get over it, this is the way it is going to be, quit if you don't like it, etc. Those who are still here are moving past the old game for the most part and are starting to offer suggestions, but then guys like spud and a few others have to come in with their get over it remarks and things spiral. I am guilty for falling into this one often lately.

Notice, I did not say the "haters" side is innocent, but I'm giving the perspective from the side of those who dislike things as they are. The game should be in a very fluid state right now with tweaks on the horizon since this update is so new, but just like those who love the update are tired of those complaining, those who don't love the update are tired of being told to get over it. There is not a better time in the game to not get over it than there is right now as our voices should be heard still in forming the new game. Whether WIS is actually going to follow up on that as they've said is another story.

Great post poncho.

Hopefully that is not his real/primary email. He may or may not end up subscribed to a number of porn email spam type sites in the near future.

Posted by kcsundevil on 10/12/2016 12:47:00 PM (view original):

Posted by CoachSpud on 10/12/2016 12:46:00 PM (view original):

Posted by kcsundevil on 10/12/2016 12:28:00 PM (view original):
Seble scolded beta testers about complaining in the main forums during beta. This wave of discontent was going to shake out sooner or later, WIS asked for it to be delayed, and now here we are.

LOL. Now the truth comes out! It's all Seble's fault, and what most people see as hate posts is nothing but a "wave of discontent." That bad Seble! kc, I have to admit you had me laughing out loud. Thanks.

I didn't say it's all seble's fault.

lulz, it took Spud all of 30 minutes to disprove his own claim that he didn't make stuff up or lie by in-fact making something up regarding another person's comments.

I'd chalk it up to beautiful irony, but somehow I feel like irony would be giving too much credit to Spud.

Posted by CoachSpud on 10/12/2016 12:31:00 PM (view original):
"My biggest problem with spud is when he makes stuff up or flat out lies."
Then that's no problem at all. I don't do either. So you'll have to try to find some other excuse for your "talking ****." Or just stop with the **** for a while.

Here are some comments you've made

"You guys could be right. Keep those darn D2 and D3 coaches in their place out back in the alley. Only D1 coaches should get to come in where it's warm and inviting. And no scraps for those darn upstart lower level coaches, either. D1 sims get all the scraps! Make it a separate game for D1 and everybody else! All this is for the good of the newbie coaches, of course ... it couldn't be because of D1 coach's greed or fear of being out recruited by one of those low level bums."

"But if theperception is that you tinkered with the D1 candy in the D1 candy store ... you'll see a rampant sense of entitlement all over these pages, and you'll need to explain it again."

These are just a few of the many Spam posts you made during beta in your crusade against D1 coaches.

"OMG, how badly does he have to crush the D2/D3 teams before the D1's are satisfied? He has already stepped on them like stepping on a grape on the sidewalk. The only reason there is any life to D2/D3 recruiting is that there aren't many D1 coaches. When there are enough D1 coaches, D2/D3 will go back to living in the cellar and rarely seeing the light of day."

Your comments around the Red Light thing were always at best 'made up' and at worst, flat out lies. I call them lies because despite your insistence that the Red Light was created to protect D1 coaches from D3 coaches trying to steal their 'candy', D3 coaches were the ones actually clamoring for this change! You just decided to blame them for it even though it wasn't them and you never had a shred of evidence of this stance of yours.

Here's a nice thread where oldresorter tried having a civilized conversation with Spud. Look how well that went. And here's a direct quote from OR-

"Again you are making up stuff to justify your POV:"

http://test.whatifsports.net/whatifsports/forums/Posts.aspx?topicID=420779