I think that's the point of the 3.0 change Shoe3. There are lots of approaches and strategies to recruiting and it also depends on your opponent. So far, the most important thing to start with is a recruit you match up with well preference wise. I found if the recruit is a good match, the roll seems to go in my favor. In the end, there is also a little luck and mystery. Some find that bad and some don't. I have seen some coaches approach it with the idea they will find 2-3 recruits for a spot, get to high and hopefully Very high and don't max out. This way they are in the running for 3 recruits and hope to win the flip on 1 of them. Others went all in with no backup options because the recruit was a great preference match.

Posted by vandydave on 10/14/2016 12:57:00 PM (view original):
60% of recruits are signing Very High vs no competition? Sounds like you guys are burying the actual lead story about the new HD that was all about battles and competition...

lol 67% now

I don't think you can gather accurate data on H v VH after a recruit has signed. I've now had 2 kids that I was moderate on, stopped recruiting them, had them sign with VH schools, and AFTER the kid signed I went from moderate to high with zero additional effort from me.

Posted by darnoc29099 on 10/14/2016 9:21:00 PM (view original):
I don't think you can gather accurate data on H v VH after a recruit has signed. I've now had 2 kids that I was moderate on, stopped recruiting them, had them sign with VH schools, and AFTER the kid signed I went from moderate to high with zero additional effort from me.

Was this for your D2 school attempting to recruit a D1 division recruit? If so, the recruit would show only as "moderate" but in actual effort, you can be at a higher level (which would then show up once he signed).

Posted by buddhagamer on 10/14/2016 10:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by darnoc29099 on 10/14/2016 9:21:00 PM (view original):
I don't think you can gather accurate data on H v VH after a recruit has signed. I've now had 2 kids that I was moderate on, stopped recruiting them, had them sign with VH schools, and AFTER the kid signed I went from moderate to high with zero additional effort from me.

Was this for your D2 school attempting to recruit a D1 division recruit? If so, the recruit would show only as "moderate" but in actual effort, you can be at a higher level (which would then show up once he signed).

No. Both were my D1 teams. In both cases I battled another school for a bit and after getting knocked down from high or very high back to moderate more than once I saw the writing on the wall and stopped putting in effort.

Did you ever send in a ticket on this? What are the recruits names? Maybe someone will see this and look in to it.

Unfortunately, I never really cared enough to send a ticket. Both were in Tark, but I've since dropped that team and don't remember names. One kid signed with Pitt (was a G from TX, I remember that much), but I don't remember anything about the other one.

I sent a ticket with names for them to review

1		Adam Zadeh		Signed VH vs --
2		Alan Lamoreaux		Signed VH vs a VH
3		Andrew Brewer		Signed VH vs --
4		Andrew Miles		Signed VH vs --
5		Andrew Towery		Signed VH vs --
6		Anthony Forshee		Signed VH vs --
7		Anthony Gordon		Signed VH vs --
8		Bob Burges		Signed VH vs --
9		Bobby Goff		Signed VH vs --
10		Brandon Linn		Signed VH vs --
11		Bryon Simmons		Signed VH vs --
12		Byron Jones		Signed VH vs --
13		Casey Callahan		Signed VH vs --
14		Chad Villalobos		Signed VH vs --
15		Charles Fogleman		Signed VH vs --
16		Charles Hopp		Signed VH vs --
17		Charlie Height		Signed VH vs --
18		Christopher Carter		Signed VH vs --
19		Christopher Stephens		Signed VH vs --
20		Cory Horton		Signed VH vs --
21		Dan Hopkins		Signed VH vs a H
22		Daniel Edmond		Signed VH vs --
23		Daniel Pollock		Signed VH vs --
24		Darrel Fish		Signed VH vs --
25		David Pryor		Signed VH vs --
26		David Woody		Signed VH vs a VH
27		Dennis Beagle		Signed VH vs a VH
28		Dexter Orosco		Signed VH vs a VH
29		Earl Chaves		Signed VH vs --
30		Eric Hogue		Signed VH vs a VH
31		George Christensen		Signed VH vs a VH
32		George Hamilton		Signed VH vs --
33		Gerald Koch		Signed VH vs --
34		Gerald Taylor		Signed H vs a VH
35		Glen Hampton		Signed VH vs --
36		Glen Lessard		Signed VH vs --
37		Glenn McMullen		Signed VH vs --
38		Guillermo Lopez		Signed VH vs --
39		Herman Evenson		Signed VH vs --
40		Horace Boren		Signed VH vs --
41		James Jones		Signed VH vs --
42		James Pressler		Signed VH vs --
43		James Tyler		Signed H vs a VH
44		Jason Taylor		Signed VH vs --
45		Jason Tovar		Signed VH vs --
46		Jay Jacobus		Signed VH vs a VH
47		Jeff Fagan		Signed VH vs --
48		Jeffrey Patterson		Signed VH vs a VH
49		Jeffry Duffy		Signed VH vs --
50		Jeremy Wolf		Signed VH vs --
51		Jess Shirley		Signed VH vs --
52		Jim Hendon		Signed H vs a VH
53		Jody Jones		Signed VH vs --
54		John Carpenter		Signed VH vs a VH
55		John Chadwick		Signed VH vs --
56		John Douglas		Signed VH vs --
57		John Nolan		Signed VH vs a VH
58		Johnny Anderson		Signed VH vs a VH
59		Joseph Bennett		Signed VH vs --
60		Kyle Jennings		Signed VH vs a H
61		Larry Boyd		Signed H vs a VH
62		Larry Bridges		Signed VH vs --
63		Lewis England		Signed VH vs --
64		Lewis Maroney		Signed VH vs a H
65		Luke Thielen		Signed VH vs --
66		Mark Gusman		Signed VH vs a H
67		Mark Jones		Signed VH vs a VH
68		Martin Custis		Signed VH vs --
69		Martin Moore		Signed VH vs --
70		Matthew Weingarten		Signed VH vs --
71		Maxwell Crigger		Signed VH vs --
72		Michael Coats		Signed VH vs --
73		Michael Fowler		Signed VH vs --
74		Michael George		Signed VH vs --
75		Michael Peltz		Signed VH vs a VH
76		Michael Vassar		Signed VH vs --
77		Nathan Campbell		Signed VH vs --
78		Norman Low		Signed VH vs --
79		Percy Gillon		Signed VH vs a H
80		Phillip Grooms		Signed VH vs --
81		Reynaldo Yazzie		Signed VH vs --
82		Richard Barratt		Signed VH vs --
83		Richard Hamblin		Signed VH vs --
84		Richard Splonskowski		Signed VH vs --
85		Robert Kelly		Signed H vs a VH
86		Robert Kieffer		Signed VH vs --
87		Robert Mauriello		Signed VH vs --
88		Robert Maxwell		Signed VH vs --
89		Robert Zimmerman		Signed VH vs --
90		Roger Gilliam		Signed VH vs a VH
91		Ronald Burrier		Signed VH vs --
92		Roy Sciortino		Signed VH vs --
93		Ruben Dockins		Signed VH vs --
94		Stanley Thall		Signed VH vs --
95		Steve Smart		Signed VH vs --
96		Steven Larmon		Signed H vs a VH
97		Thomas Manzi		Signed VH vs --
98		Thomas Powell		Signed VH vs --
99		Thomas Thompson		Signed VH vs a H
100		Thomas Winkel		Signed VH vs --
101		Timothy Carter		Signed VH vs a H
102		Tony Sparks		Signed VH vs a VH
103		Tyler Adkins		Signed VH vs --
104		Wayne Wynn		Signed VH vs a VH
105		William Gadson		Signed VH vs a VH
106		William Klopfenstein		Signed VH vs --

Above are the players I pulled for the stats on page 1. Let me know if you think there are issues with how WIS is showing the battles (or lack of battles)

@mullycj : Thanks for taking the time to track this. We do need to make sure that the probabilities are working as intended, regardless of whether or not we agree that the intended way is good or bad.

You are welcome.

I AM surprised at the lack of battles of showing up and do wonder if the data at the time of signings is being shown correctly. I know the data for the 3 battles I have been in is correct but do not know about others.

I'm also surprised there are not more battles in the top 100, though I do expect those to increase as more players get use to the new system. I suspect there is still a bit of self-limitation going on.

Of course, if the worlds experience significant depopulation among the high D1 levels, that will affect battling as well.