Hello all,I tried to find a similar topic, but i could not find one when searching the forums.

I was wondering if it is possible for a DIII coach to move straight to DI? And what kind of resume that might take?

I currently qualify for all DII jobs. I am going into my third season with my team, and i won the conference tourney both previous years and was knocked out of the NT in the first round both years. I have no previous experience beyond that. I wasn't sure if it was possible to eventually make the leap from DIII to DI or if i should take a DII job to build up my resume.

I appreciate any thoughts or input from more experienced players.
Thanks :)

It is but you need solid success in the nt and more seasons. Move D2 it will go faster.

Don't listen to coach ward. Lots of misleading and incorrect info here.

I recently went from D3 to D1 but I had a lot of success and only qualified for D prestige jobs. Here's my history.

https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/History.aspx?tid=7649

That is good to know it is possible to get up to DI at some point from DIII, I'm sure theres many avenues as well if that is one's goal. Getting some of the feedback, personally I likely will stay in DIII not only to get the experience of building "my own" team but also to build up the resume by *hopefully* getting wins in an easier conference.

I wont take full credit for the conference championships and such. Its under my "name" but i didn't recruit the heart of the roster. I am in a weak conference, conf rank in the bottom 1/3 for RPI, only one other human player in conference right now. I have loaded up my non-conference schedule with ranked human teams to balance my SOS.

and in response to the one post, right now, i run a flex offense and man defense. I am focusing on a PG, SG, SG, SF, C roster on my rebuild. Focusing on passing, speed, and perimeter with solid def, and a few role players who are perimeter or def specialists.

Posted by Benis on 10/26/2016 8:14:00 PM (view original):
Don't listen to coach ward. Lots of misleading and incorrect info here.

I recently went from D3 to D1 but I had a lot of success and only qualified for D prestige jobs. Here's my history.

https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/History.aspx?tid=7649

What do you mean misleading? Care to explain facts over personal attacks? Your case is being near A+ prestige at division 3 where any coach at division 3 who are A+ or A- prestige can coach division 1 level. I didn't just make this up I learn this over forums and from my personal experience. How do you expect him to qualify from division 3 the way you did but better yet you been playing years of the game?

Posted by Benis on 10/26/2016 8:14:00 PM (view original):
Don't listen to coach ward. Lots of misleading and incorrect info here.

I recently went from D3 to D1 but I had a lot of success and only qualified for D prestige jobs. Here's my history.

https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/History.aspx?tid=7649

Whatever Coach Ward tells you to do, do the opposite.

Posted by Derek_Koenig on 10/26/2016 8:46:00 PM (view original):
That is good to know it is possible to get up to DI at some point from DIII, I'm sure theres many avenues as well if that is one's goal. Getting some of the feedback, personally I likely will stay in DIII not only to get the experience of building "my own" team but also to build up the resume by *hopefully* getting wins in an easier conference.

I wont take full credit for the conference championships and such. Its under my "name" but i didn't recruit the heart of the roster. I am in a weak conference, conf rank in the bottom 1/3 for RPI, only one other human player in conference right now. I have loaded up my non-conference schedule with ranked human teams to balance my SOS.

and in response to the one post, right now, i run a flex offense and man defense. I am focusing on a PG, SG, SG, SF, C roster on my rebuild. Focusing on passing, speed, and perimeter with solid def, and a few role players who are perimeter or def specialists.

Class structure is by numbers not by positions. Positions doesn't matter this game ratings and stats does. So if you can state how many freshman you have sophomore you have juniors you have and seniors you have I will lead you into the right direction. There is not that many avenues to reach that goal but a certain path you take will let you reach that goal if you are committed to oneself in achieving that goal.

Flex and man defense are ok you can take that one out of your to do list in your rebuild. Now you need to focus on creating a identity for you're team what ratings your going after me personally I would create a Ath/speed/def team in division 3 focus on those core ratings only in each position. You can only create identity's in division 3 where that is applicable as so I have heard.That's a short term goal and long term goal will be fix your class structure to be the most competitive each season.

Scheduling you need to schedule at least 10 easy games you think you are going to win. Doesn't mean its going to happen but its a possibility that you are going to win. Here is a link to where I found my schedule technique https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9UIqGatINw&list=PLmrfR_VcT-ppx_O_-U7seeR8ATozIuXpu I am a youtuber as well I create two episodes a season you can subscribe to my channel for 2 episodes a month of Whatifsports hoops dynasty here. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLR8FuU4la9Gx7Z94DsAeuwhL3HwxRXBzs

Posted by CoachWard95 on 10/26/2016 8:47:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 10/26/2016 8:14:00 PM (view original):
Don't listen to coach ward. Lots of misleading and incorrect info here.

I recently went from D3 to D1 but I had a lot of success and only qualified for D prestige jobs. Here's my history.

https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/History.aspx?tid=7649

What do you mean misleading? Care to explain facts over personal attacks? Your case is being near A+ prestige at division 3 where any coach at division 3 who are A+ or A- prestige can coach division 1 level. I didn't just make this up I learn this over forums and from my personal experience. How do you expect him to qualify from division 3 the way you did but better yet you been playing years of the game?

For the sake of others like the OP I'll respond.

What is this D3 small major you talk about. This isn't a real thing. You made it up. You can take any team in D3 and turn it in to A+ prestige or win a title. No idea where this would mean you're likely to have only a 1st round exit...

You are obsessed with class structure. You can win with any possible structure. Many have shown this possible. Some are easier to make deep runs with like super class but you don't need to run a certain one to be successful and make it to D1.

You mention being at d2 for 10 seasons before moving to big 6. Thats not the way to go. Move to low D1 and work your way up. Additionally you say 10 seasons but make no mention of any sort of postseason success. 10 seasons with 4 final fours? 10 seasons with 10 1st round exits? 10 losing seasons? See what I mean? This info you provide is not helpful.

Posted by Benis on 10/26/2016 9:09:00 PM (view original):

Posted by CoachWard95 on 10/26/2016 8:47:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 10/26/2016 8:14:00 PM (view original):
Don't listen to coach ward. Lots of misleading and incorrect info here.

I recently went from D3 to D1 but I had a lot of success and only qualified for D prestige jobs. Here's my history.

https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/History.aspx?tid=7649

What do you mean misleading? Care to explain facts over personal attacks? Your case is being near A+ prestige at division 3 where any coach at division 3 who are A+ or A- prestige can coach division 1 level. I didn't just make this up I learn this over forums and from my personal experience. How do you expect him to qualify from division 3 the way you did but better yet you been playing years of the game?

For the sake of others like the OP I'll respond.

What is this D3 small major you talk about. This isn't a real thing. You made it up. You can take any team in D3 and turn it in to A+ prestige or win a title. No idea where this would mean you're likely to have only a 1st round exit...

You are obsessed with class structure. You can win with any possible structure. Many have shown this possible. Some are easier to make deep runs with like super class but you don't need to run a certain one to be successful and make it to D1.

You mention being at d2 for 10 seasons before moving to big 6. Thats not the way to go. Move to low D1 and work your way up. Additionally you say 10 seasons but make no mention of any sort of postseason success. 10 seasons with 4 final fours? 10 seasons with 10 1st round exits? 10 losing seasons? See what I mean? This info you provide is not helpful.

No I have read in the forums many others have said stay at 10 seasons in division 2 that obviously implies winning seasons and post season success and moving up to top tier of the Rpi conference rankings as much as you can. Do you really want new guys getting stuck in low major division 1 for another 20 seasons where they can qualify for 10 seasons or more in division 2?

Derek are you enjoying DIII? Do you like the team you've recruited and started to build? Do you want to get to DI ASAP or if it takes 2 - 3 seasons longer does that not matter? For DI do you want to get to a Big 6 team right away or will you take a low to mid-major team to start? Do you have a dream school you'd like to coach? These are all things to consider. There is no right or wrong way to move up necessarily, but some paths do take longer than others.

I will give wardo credit for the bit about scheduling. The first YouTube link is really helpful and is from a real good coach. Watch that and follow his advice.

Schedule sims on the road basically. Don't schedule teams at home that you will lose to. That doesn't help.

With the changes to recruiting, a lot of what people "know" is based on old data. There may or may not be a low D1 job trap. Even worse, admin is pondering changes to the job process. So, not only should you not listen to Wardo...ever...most everyone else is thinking of the "old" game when they answer you.

If you have your heart set on a particular D1 job, then move up to a strong D2 school ASAP. By strong, I mean returning very good players that will give you immediate NT success. Prestige is not directly relevant to the job process.

You can move D3 to D1, but it will take a while. So long, in fact, that admin may have changed the rules before you get there.

As pointed out above,. Play the game to enjoy what you are doing and have success now, with NT success the jobs will follow.

I moved up fastest with this handle in Allen. After a season of D3, I spent 7 seasons at D2 Tuskegee, then 6 seasons at Grambling State before nabbing the Rutgers job. There were some other big 6 jobs available to me after 4th and 5th seasons, but I passed on them. Rutgers was a C- job.

In Naismith, I spent more time at D3 (4 seasons) and D2 (14 seasons) then skipped low D1. Again, I was eligible for Big 6 jobs a few seasons before I actually took one.

Pay at attention to critical news in the HD forums, as Rogelio noted, we may have some changes to the system soon.

Posted by rogelio on 10/26/2016 10:34:00 PM (view original):
With the changes to recruiting, a lot of what people "know" is based on old data. There may or may not be a low D1 job trap. Even worse, admin is pondering changes to the job process. So, not only should you not listen to Wardo...ever...most everyone else is thinking of the "old" game when they answer you.

If you have your heart set on a particular D1 job, then move up to a strong D2 school ASAP. By strong, I mean returning very good players that will give you immediate NT success. Prestige is not directly relevant to the job process.

You can move D3 to D1, but it will take a while. So long, in fact, that admin may have changed the rules before you get there.

As pointed out above,. Play the game to enjoy what you are doing and have success now, with NT success the jobs will follow.

Unless you are super attached to your D3 team, my suggestion would be to move up to D2 after this season. It is a step closer to D1, and you can kind of start over and learn from any mistakes you made the first season at D3. D2 and D3 are fairly similar in my opinion, with the exception that in D2 you have a larger scouting and recruiting budget. But if you do 1 year at D3, and 4-5 good years at D2 you can take a low level D1 job. Stay there like 5-6 years, and do really well, you'll probably qualify for a Big 6 Job. I'm going to try to figure out my fastest time to D1 and a Big 6 Job, and I'll edit that in as soon as I figure it out.

OK - Found a few examples from my histories in different worlds.
In one world, I was D3 for 1 year, then D2 for 5 years before getting to Mercer.
In another I did one year at D3, 8 at D2 (mainly because I really liked that team), 5 at lower level D1, then went to Iowa State.
In another world, I did 8 years at D3, then jumped to a lower level D1 (Princeton). Stayed there for 6 years, then went to Marquette, then Utah, then Hawaii.