Okay settling this here. The Hornets/Bobcats/Pels can be treated as a single lineage. As far as the Raptors go, they have generally been a pretty competitive team when someone takes a chance on them in this league. Lowry, Calderon, Vince, Young McGrady, Moon, Bosh, Donyell, Pat Pat, Jonas, Bismack, and Ed Davis come to mind immediately.