Rule V Leg #54 - Draft Thread Topic

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Originally created many moons ago by examinerebb, this league makes any franchise a contender (the Tigers won season 53), and a better group of owners can't be found on the site. There is much good-natured banter in the draft thread and the league chat, so bring your sense of humor. The rules are simple:

1. Each owner chooses a franchise. Franchise draft order is in inverse order of win percentage from the previous season for non-playoff teams, then inverse order of win percentage of non-World Series playoff teams, with the WS runner-up picking 23rd, and the WS champ choosing last. New owners will be assigned the draft position of any previous owners who are not returning, with the first to sign up receiving the highest slot, and so on. Division alignment will be determined by the commissioner after team selection is complete. We will attempt to keep divisions as close to real life as possible. Geography will be the first factor, but we will also attempt to maintain traditional rivalries if possible.

2. Each owner chooses five players he/she wishes to protect from that franchise (1969-present) and submits that list via sitemail to me. Those players are the exclusive property of their respective owners.

3. After all lists are submitted, they will be posted and a three round modified Rule V draft will be held, with draft order being inverse order of each franchise's Rule V win percentage through all legs from which we have data (the worst teams pick first). Many thanks to schwarze for compiling this data. Each owner selects one unprotected player from any active franchise but their own (player seasons for franchises that were not chosen are not eligible). That player is also theirs exclusively. No more than two players may be taken from any one franchise in any one round.

4. At the end of the first and second rounds, each owner will choose an additional player they wish to protect. You will end up protecting seven in all, while drafting three. These ten players must appear on your roster. The rest of the roster is filled by players from your franchise during the given time period (1969-present day).

$120 Million Cap
No trades
No WW
No DH
No AAA
  • No clones (same player, same franchise - if a player played for more than one franchise, he is available once for each franchise)
  • If a player split time between multiple teams in a season (as listed at WIS) his full season is available once for each team
  • SLL limited to current series
  • Stadium must have been used by your franchise for at least one full season between 1969-present
  • Tiebreaker for draft positions will be run differential from the previous season, worse differential picks first

    For those new to the Rule V fold:

    There is much good-natured ribbing during the draft (we try not to be too player-specific, so as not to influence the draft, but sometimes the temptation is too much). Do not take it personally. Pick a draft strategy and stay the course, regardless.

    Glossary

    He Who Must Not Be Named (HWMNBN) - A former player/manager/dirtbag for the Cincinnati Reds (and later, Philadelphia Phillies and Montreal Expos) who defiled the grand game of baseball. No Rule V team has ever won a title with him, so heed jose's warnings about karma. I would imagine Lady Karma grows weary from teaching the same lesson over and over, as the ruler with which she raps offending knuckles seems to grow with each passing season. The scumbag finally won a couple of championships. Lady Karma has stunned us all with this development

    The Single Most Overrated Pitcher of All Time (TSMOPOAT) - Nolan Ryan

    The Single Most Overrated Position Player of All Time (TSMOPPOAT) - Cal Ripken, Jr.

    (Both of those players designated by Vegas...see below)

    Vegas - jose can u c - Our Rule V Prediction King (emeritus)

    Newest Entry: Alleyviper's Favorite Third Baseman of All Time (AFTBOAT) - Scott Rolen (has picked him at least four drafts)
11/23/2016 12:44 PM (edited)
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Player Draft Order. Franchises that have been taken are marked in RED.
1 Rays 8 492 804 0.3796
2 D'backs 15 1080 1350 0.4444
3 Tigers 25 1859 2192 0.4589
4 White Sox 11 841 941 0.4719
5 Pirates 23 1769 1957 0.4748
6 Rockies 13 1000 1106 0.4748
7 Rangers 19 1486 1593 0.4826
8 Twins 26 2035 2178 0.4830
9 Angels 21 1660 1742 0.4879
10 Brewers 27 2164 2213 0.4944
11 Orioles 28 2244 2293 0.4946
12 Blue Jays 31 2487 2536 0.4951
13 Marlins 24 1928 1962 0.4956
14 Expos 35 2823 2850 0.4976
15 Mariners 34 2753 2756 0.4997
16 Red Sox 35 2838 2833 0.5004
17 Phillies 35 2849 2824 0.5022
18 Padres 28 2289 2247 0.5046
19 Indians 34 2784 2725 0.5054
20 Mets 33 2705 2642 0.5059
21 Cubs 26 2133 2079 0.5064
22 Giants 34 2815 2695 0.5109
23 Royals 30 2486 2376 0.5113
24 Braves 34 2824 2684 0.5127
25 Reds 29 2410 2289 0.5129
26 Cardinals 35 2935 2736 0.5175
27 Yankees 31 2656 2366 0.5289
28 Dodgers 34 2928 2582 0.5314
29 A's 35 3019 2652 0.5324
30 Astros 35 3090 2581 0.5449
11/23/2016 11:36 AM (edited)
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Franchise Draft Order (Timed schedule begins TUESDAY 11/22)
  1. tridentric - 62-100 .383 Detroit Tigers#
  2. spikeboots - 65-97 .401 Toronto Blue Jays#
  3. grayfoxx - 68-94 .420 Los Angeles Dodgers#
  4. Robin4 - 70-92 .432 Minnesota Twins#
  5. ff09 - 73-89 .451 Chicago Cubs#
  6. ChitownBluz - 73-89 .451 Los Angeles Angels#
  7. sinfonian11 - 74-88 .457 Atlanta Braves#
  8. llcoach - 74-88 .457 St. Louis Cardinals#
  9. spoonfed - 75-87 .463 New York Yankees#
  10. schwarze - 76-86 .469^ Kansas City Royals#
  11. newarkwilder - 79-83 .488 Baltimore Orioles#
  12. alleyviper - 80-82 .494 Houston Astros#
  13. alice - 81-81 .500 Texas Rangers#
  14. buddhagamer 86-76 .531 Boston Red Sox#
  15. Chisock 86-76 .531^ Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals#
  16. specsman 89-73 .549 Cleveland Indians#
  17. mussopini23 87-75 .537* Arizona Diamondbacks#
  18. pumpkinmcp 89-73* Philadelphia Phillies#
  19. deathdealer 90-72 .556* Pittsburgh Pirates#
  20. shaybee 92-70 .568* Oakland Athletics#
  21. dilligafdbp 93-69 .574* Chicago White Sox#
  22. rbow923 99-63 .611* Colorado Rockies#
  23. nordawg 93-69 .574% Seattle Mariners
  24. tjefferson 90-72 .556$ San Francisco Giants#
# Third round keeper sent

^ new owner
* playoff team
% WS runner-up
$ WS champion

Division Alignment
NL East: Braves, Phillies, Expos/Nationals, Blue Jays
NL Central: Cubs, Cardinals, Pirates, Astros
NL West: Dodgers, Giants, Diamondbacks, Rockies
AL East: Yankees, Red Sox, Orioles, Indians
AL Central: White Sox, Twins, Tigers, Royals
AL West: Angels, Athletics, Mariners, Rangers

owner list for sitemailing: tridentric; spikeboots; grayfoxx; Robin4; ff09; ChitownBluz; sinfonian11; llcoach; spoonfed; schwarze; newarkwilder; alleyviper; alice; buddhagamer; Chisock; specsman; mussopini23; pumpkinmcp; deathdealer; shaybee; dilligafdbp; rbow923; nordawg; tjefferson
12/3/2016 6:33 AM (edited)
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Player Draft First Round (timed schedule starts Monday 11/28)
  1. mussopini23 - Arizona Diamondbacks: Jose Altuve - HOU
  2. tridentric - Detroit Tigers: Orel Hershiser - LAD
  3. dilligafdbp - Chicago White Sox: TSMOPOAT - HOU (Astros off the board)
  4. deathdealer - Pittsburgh Pirates: Fernando Valenzuela - LAD (Dodgers off the board)
  5. rbow923 - Colorado Rockies: Kevin Appier - KCR
  6. alice - Texas Rangers: Frank Tanana - LAA
  7. Robin4 - Minnesota Twins: Kevin Millwood - ATL
  8. ChitownBluz - Los Angeles Angels: Fergie Jenkins - TEX
  9. newarkwilder - Baltimore Orioles: Fritz Peterson - NYY
  10. spikeboots - Toronto Blue Jays: Buster Posey - SFG
  11. Chisock - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals: Rod Carew - MIN
  12. nordawg - Seattle Mariners: Larry Gura - KCR (Royals off the board)
  13. buddhagamer - Boston Red Sox: Rickey Henderson - NYY (Yankees off the board)
  14. pumpkinmcp - Philadelphia Phillies: Rico Petrocelli - BOS
  15. specsman - Cleveland Indians: Jered Weaver - LAA (Angels off the board)
  16. ff09 - Chicago Cubs: Bob Gibson - STL
  17. tjefferson - San Francisco Giants: Mark McGwire - STL (Cardinals off the board)
  18. schwarze - Kansas City Royals: Kenny Lofton - CLE
  19. sinfonian11 - Atlanta Braves: Nomar Garciaparra - BOS (Red Sox off the board)
  20. llcoach - St. Louis Cardinals: Lenny Dykstra - PHI
  21. spoonfed - New York Yankees: Ellis Burks - COL
  22. grayfoxx - Los Angeles Dodgers: Rafael Palmeiro - TEX (Rangers off the board)
  23. shaybee - Oakland Athletics: Jeff Kent - SFG (Giants off the board)
  24. alleyviper - Houston Astros: Rick Wilkins - CHC
Player Draft Second Round (timed schedule starts THURSDAY 12/1)
  1. mussopini23 - Arizona Diamondbacks: Bill Singer - LAD
  2. tridentric - Detroit Tigers: Hideo Nomo - LAD (Dodgers off the board)
  3. dilligafdbp - Chicago White Sox: Jacoby Ellsbury - BOS
  4. deathdealer - Pittsburgh Pirates: Jim Edmonds - STL
  5. rbow923 - Colorado Rockies: Larry Dierker - HOU
  6. alice - Texas Rangers: Pascual Perez - MON/WSH
  7. Robin4 - Minnesota Twins: Javier Vazquez - ATL
  8. ChitownBluz - Los Angeles Angels: Andrew Miller - NYY
  9. newarkwilder - Baltimore Orioles: Tim Hudson - OAK
  10. spikeboots - Toronto Blue Jays: Gary Sheffield - ATL (Braves off the board)
  11. Chisock - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals: Ozzie Smith - STL (Cardinals off the board)
  12. nordawg - Seattle Mariners: Jorge Posada - NYY (Yankees off the board)
  13. buddhagamer - Boston Red Sox: Omar Vizquel - CLE
  14. pumpkinmcp - Philadelphia Phillies: Willie Stargell - PIT
  15. specsman - Cleveland Indians: Daniel Murphy - MON/WSH (Expos/Nats off the board)
  16. ff09 - Chicago Cubs: Michael Young - TEX
  17. tjefferson - San Francisco Giants: Carlton Fisk - BOS (Red Sox off the board)
  18. schwarze - Kansas City Royals: Carlos Guillen - DET
  19. sinfonian11 - Atlanta Braves: Chris Devinski - HOU (Astros off the board)
  20. llcoach - St. Louis Cardinals: Joe Nathan - MIN
  21. spoonfed - New York Yankees: Mike Lieberthal - PHI
  22. grayfoxx - Los Angeles Dodgers: Francisco Lindor - CLE
  23. shaybee - Oakland Athletics: Joel Pineiro - SEA
  24. alleyviper - Houston Astros: Amos Otis - KCR
Player Draft Third Round (timed schedule starts MONDAY 12/5)
  1. mussopini23 - Arizona Diamondbacks: Mariano Rivera - NYY
  2. tridentric - Detroit Tigers: Bernie Williams - NYY (Yankees off the board)
  3. dilligafdbp - Chicago White Sox: Bret Boone - SEA
  4. deathdealer - Pittsburgh Pirates: Eric Gagne - LAD
  5. rbow923 - Colorado Rockies: Andy Messersmith - LAD (Dodgers off the board)
  6. alice - Texas Rangers: Don Wilson - HOU
  7. Robin4 - Minnesota Twins: Wade Davis - KCR
  8. ChitownBluz - Los Angeles Angels: Mike Napoli - TEX
  9. newarkwilder - Baltimore Orioles: Dick Allen - CHW
  10. spikeboots - Toronto Blue Jays: Dan Haren - ARI
  11. Chisock - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals: Melvin Mora - BAL
  12. nordawg - Seattle Mariners: Jeff Reardon - MON/WSH
  13. buddhagamer - Boston Red Sox: Zach Britton - BAL (Orioles off the board)
  14. pumpkinmcp - Philadelphia Phillies: Andre Dawson - MON/WSH (Expos/Nats off the board)
  15. specsman - Cleveland Indians: Jonathan Papelbon - BOS
  16. ff09 - Chicago Cubs: Ted Simmons - STL
  17. tjefferson - San Francisco Giants: Ben Zobrist - CHC
  18. schwarze - Kansas City Royals: Doyle Alexander - DET
  19. sinfonian11 - Atlanta Braves: Greg Holland - KCR (Royals off the board)
  20. llcoach - St. Louis Cardinals: Aroldis Chapman - CHC (Cubs off the board)
  21. spoonfed - New York Yankees: Dallas Keuchel - HOU (Astros off the board)
  22. grayfoxx - Los Angeles Dodgers: Roy Oswalt - PHI
  23. shaybee - Oakland Athletics: JJ Putz - SEA (Mariners off the board)
  24. alleyviper - Houston Astros: AFTBOAT - STL (Cardinals off the board)
12/6/2016 5:51 AM (edited)
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List of keepers/draft picks

mussopini23 - Arizona Diamondbacks: Randy Johnson, Curt Schilling, Paul Goldschmidt, Luis Gonzalez, Daniel Hudson, Jose Altuve - HOU, Aaron Hill, Bill Singer - LAD, AJ Pollock, Mariano Rivera - NYY

tridentric - Detroit Tigers: Miguel Cabrera, Magglio Ordonez, Tony Phillips, Justin Verlander, Max Scherzer, Orel Hershiser - LAD, Alan Trammell, Hideo Nomo - LAD, Curtis Granderson, Bernie Williams - NYY

dilligafdbp - Chicago White Sox: Frank Thomas, Albert Belle, Magglio Ordonez, Wilbur Wood, Chris Sale, TSMOPOAT - HOU, Bobby Jenks, Jacoby Ellsbury - BOS, Robin Ventura, Bret Boone - SEA

deathdealer - Pittsburgh Pirates: Andrew McCutchen, Barry Bonds, Brian Giles, Jay Bell, Freddie Sanchez, Fernando Valenzuela - LAD, Andy Van Slyke, Jim Edmonds - STL, Rick Reuschel, Eric Gagne - LAD

rbow923 - Colorado Rockies: Todd Helton, Larry Walker, Troy Tulowitzki, DJ LeMahieu, Nolan Arenado, Kevin Appier - KCR, Ubaldo Jimenez, Larry Dierker - HOU, Matt Holliday, Andy Messersmith - LAD

alice - Texas Rangers: Ivan Rodriguez, Alex Rodriguez, Adrian Beltre, Julio Franco, TSMOPOAT, Frank Tanana - LAA, Josh Hamilton, Pascual Perez - MON/WSH, John Wetteland, Don Wilson - HOU

Robin4 - Minnesota Twins: Johan Santana, Bert Blyleven, Kirby Puckett, Joe Mauer, Harmon Killebrew, Kevin Millwood - ATL, Chuck Knoblauch, Javier Vazquez - ATL, Tony Oliva, Wade Davis - KCR

ChitownBluz - Los Angeles Angels: Mark Texeira, Darin Erstad, Vladimir Guerrero, Mike Trout, TSMOPOAT, Fergie Jenkins - TEX, Andy Messersmith, Andrew Miller - NYY, Mike Witt, Mike Napoli - TEX

newarkwilder - Baltimore Orioles: Mike Cuellar, Jim Palmer, Chris Hoiles, TSMOPPOAT, Manny Machado, Fritz Peterson - NYY, Roberto Alomar, Tim Hudson - OAK, Al Bumbry, Dick Allen - CHW

spikeboots - Toronto Blue Jays: Tony Fernandez, Jose Bautista, Carlos Delgado, John Olerud, Roger Clemens, Buster Posey - SFG, Mark Eichhorn, Gary Sheffield - ATL, BJ Ryan, Dan Haren - ARI

Chisock - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals: Gary Carter, Bryce Harper, Tim Raines, Pedro Martinez, Max Scherzer, Rod Carew - MIN, Tim Burke, Ozzie Smith - STL, Dennis Martinez, Melvin Mora - BAL

nordawg - Seattle Mariners: Ichiro Suzuki, Ken Griffey, Jr., Alex Rodriguez, Randy Johnson, Felix Hernandez, Larry Gura - KCR, Cliff Lee, Jorge Posada - NYY, Edgar Martinez, Jeff Reardon - MON/WSH

buddhagamer - Boston Red Sox: Roger Clemens, Pedro Martinez, Derek Lowe, Wade Boggs, Fred Lynn, Rickey Henderson - NYY, Carl Yastrzemski, Omar Vizquel - CLE, Koji Uehara, Zach Britton - BAL

pumpkinmcp - Philadelphia Phillies: Steve Carlton, Curt Schilling, Chase Utley, Mike Schmidt, Ryan Howard, Rico Petrocelli - BOS, Bobby Abreu, Willie Stargell - PIT, Darren Daulton, Andre Dawson - MON/WSH

specsman - Cleveland Indians: Albert Belle, Manny Ramirez, Roberto Alomar, Gaylord Perry, Sam McDowell, Jered Weaver - LAA, Cliff Lee, Daniel Murphy - MON/WSH, Victor Martinez, Jonathan Papelbon - BOS

ff09 - Chicago Cubs: Jake Arrieta, Greg Maddux, Sammy Sosa, Ryne Sandberg, Derrek Lee, Bob Gibson - STL, Bruce Sutter, Michael Young - TEX, Billy Williams, Ted Simmons - STL

tjefferson - San Francisco Giants: Barry Bonds, Willie McCovey, Jason Schmidt, Juan Marichal, Tim Lincecum, Mark McGwire - STL, Rich Aurillia, Carlton Fisk - BOS, Kevin Mitchell, Ben Zobrist - CHC

schwarze - Kansas City Royals: Bret Saberhagen, David Cone, Willie Wilson, Darrell Porter, George Brett, Kenny Lofton - CLE, Zack Greinke, Carlos Guillen - DET, Roger Nelson, Doyle Alexander - DET

sinfonian11 - Atlanta Braves: Greg Maddux, John Smoltz, Craig Kimbrel, Hank Aaron, Chipper Jones, Nomar Garciaparra - BOS, Kris Medlen, Chris Devinski - HOU, Phil Niekro, Greg Holland - KCR

llcoach - St. Louis Cardinals: Albert Pujols, Willie McGee, John Tudor, Adam Wainwright, Chris Carpenter, Lenny Dykstra - PHI, Matt Carpenter, Joe Nathan - MIN, Yadier Molina, Aroldis Chapman - CHC

spoonfed - New York Yankees: Robinson Cano, Derek Jeter, Alex Rodriguez, Ron Guidry, Catfish Hunter, Ellis Burks - COL, Don Mattingly, Mike Lieberthal - PHI, Dellin Betances, Dallas Keuchel - HOU

grayfoxx - Los Angeles Dodgers: Clayton Kershaw, Don Sutton, Zack Greinke, Kevin Brown, Mike Piazza, Rafael Palmeiro - TEX, Adrian Beltre, Francisco Lindor - CLE, Steve Sax, Roy Oswalt - PHI

shaybee - Oakland Athletics: Vida Blue, Catfish Hunter, Mike Norris, Jason Giambi, Rickey Henderson, Jeff Kent - SFG, Dennis Eckersley, Joel Pineiro - SEA, Andrew Bailey, JJ Putz - SEA

alleyviper - Houston Astros: Lance Berkman, Craig Biggio, Jeff Bagwell, Mike Scott, Roger Clemens, Rick Wilkins - CHC, JR Richard, Amos Otis - KCR, Billy Wagner, AFTBOAT - STL
12/6/2016 5:51 AM (edited)
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Man, part of why you take the Rays is to ensure you get a top franchise draft pick and here I am smack in the middle...
11/21/2016 11:55 AM
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Posted by alleyviper on 11/21/2016 11:55:00 AM (view original):
Man, part of why you take the Rays is to ensure you get a top franchise draft pick and here I am smack in the middle...
Serves you right for actually making them competitive;-)
11/21/2016 11:58 AM
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Timed schedule added. Starts at 10am eastern time tomorrow.
11/21/2016 12:54 PM
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Posted by sinfonian11 on 11/21/2016 11:58:00 AM (view original):
Posted by alleyviper on 11/21/2016 11:55:00 AM (view original):
Man, part of why you take the Rays is to ensure you get a top franchise draft pick and here I am smack in the middle...
Serves you right for actually making them competitive;-)
I can't help it when John Tudor and Yaz are inconceivably both available to me!
11/21/2016 1:02 PM
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sorry for the delay. bad day at work.

Detroit Tigers
11/21/2016 6:58 PM
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11/21/2016 8:55 PM
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L A Dodgers
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Updated the team draft list.
11/22/2016 5:41 AM
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