B-b-b-but WAR isn't subjective. It's a finite "stat"!!!

I love how bent out of shape the two of you get at the idea that different websites calculate a stat different ways.

You can't calculate a "stat" in different ways and get different results. If you do, then it isn't a stat.

It's just one person's way of parsing data, and can mean anything (or nothing).

Posted by toddcommish on 11/23/2016 11:51:00 AM (view original):
You can't calculate a "stat" in different ways and get different results. If you do, then it isn't a stat.

It's just one person's way of parsing data, and can mean anything (or nothing).

They're just three different stats with the same name.

They aren't measuring the same thing.

Posted by bad_luck on 11/23/2016 11:57:00 AM (view original):

Posted by toddcommish on 11/23/2016 11:51:00 AM (view original):
You can't calculate a "stat" in different ways and get different results. If you do, then it isn't a stat.

It's just one person's way of parsing data, and can mean anything (or nothing).

They're just three different stats with the same name.

They aren't measuring the same thing.

Aren't they all "Wins above replacement"?

Since there are SO MANY WAYS to determine this, shouldn't they be called "Estimated wins this player would provide over an average replacement player based on our own personal way of measuring **** so dumbasses like BL can pretend to know baseball"?

Or do you think EWTPWPOAARPBOOOPWOMSSDLBLCPTKB wouldn't catch on?

Posted by toddcommish on 11/23/2016 12:02:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 11/23/2016 11:57:00 AM (view original):

Posted by toddcommish on 11/23/2016 11:51:00 AM (view original):
You can't calculate a "stat" in different ways and get different results. If you do, then it isn't a stat.

It's just one person's way of parsing data, and can mean anything (or nothing).

They're just three different stats with the same name.

They aren't measuring the same thing.

Aren't they all "Wins above replacement"?

Since there are SO MANY WAYS to determine this, shouldn't they be called "Estimated wins this player would provide over an average replacement player based on our own personal way of measuring **** so dumbasses like BL can pretend to know baseball"?

Or do you think EWTPWPOAARPBOOOPWOMSSDLBLCPTKB wouldn't catch on?

They probably should give them different names so that dumbasses without critical thinking skills don't get their panties in a bunch.

Posted by bad_luck on 11/23/2016 12:10:00 PM (view original):

Posted by toddcommish on 11/23/2016 12:02:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 11/23/2016 11:57:00 AM (view original):

Posted by toddcommish on 11/23/2016 11:51:00 AM (view original):
You can't calculate a "stat" in different ways and get different results. If you do, then it isn't a stat.

It's just one person's way of parsing data, and can mean anything (or nothing).

They're just three different stats with the same name.

They aren't measuring the same thing.

Aren't they all "Wins above replacement"?

Since there are SO MANY WAYS to determine this, shouldn't they be called "Estimated wins this player would provide over an average replacement player based on our own personal way of measuring **** so dumbasses like BL can pretend to know baseball"?

Or do you think EWTPWPOAARPBOOOPWOMSSDLBLCPTKB wouldn't catch on?

They probably should give them different names so that dumbasses without critical thinking skills don't get their panties in a bunch.

They're all WAR. Forgive us "dumbasses" for thinking three measurements with the same name are measuring the same thing.

What if I told you that homeruns are calculated as follows:

B-R: Any ball hit over an OF fence in the air in fair territory
Fangraphs: Any ball hit over 375 feet in the air in fair territory
Baseball Prospectus: Any ball that would be over the wall in fair territory in a park with uniform, neutral dimensions

You would say that was retarded, because a player could have three different home run totals on each site.

Which is why people hate WAR.

Posted by jtpops on 11/23/2016 12:11:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 11/23/2016 12:10:00 PM (view original):

Posted by toddcommish on 11/23/2016 12:02:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 11/23/2016 11:57:00 AM (view original):

Posted by toddcommish on 11/23/2016 11:51:00 AM (view original):
You can't calculate a "stat" in different ways and get different results. If you do, then it isn't a stat.

It's just one person's way of parsing data, and can mean anything (or nothing).

They're just three different stats with the same name.

They aren't measuring the same thing.

Aren't they all "Wins above replacement"?

Since there are SO MANY WAYS to determine this, shouldn't they be called "Estimated wins this player would provide over an average replacement player based on our own personal way of measuring **** so dumbasses like BL can pretend to know baseball"?

Or do you think EWTPWPOAARPBOOOPWOMSSDLBLCPTKB wouldn't catch on?

They probably should give them different names so that dumbasses without critical thinking skills don't get their panties in a bunch.

They're all WAR. Forgive us "dumbasses" for thinking three measurements with the same name are measuring the same thing.

Two are WAR, one is WARP.

You're being purposefully dense. For position players, the calculations are essentially the same. For pitchers Famgraphs' calculation is FIP based and BR's calculation is ERA based.

No, you're being purposefully (or maybe not?) ignorant. A "stat" can only be calculated one way. Period.

See the homerun example above.

Posted by jtpops on 11/23/2016 12:21:00 PM (view original):
No, you're being purposefully (or maybe not?) ignorant. A "stat" can only be calculated one way. Period.

See the homerun example above.

Let's say they were actually given different names, FIP-wins & ERA-wins, would that satisfy you?

Posted by bad_luck on 11/23/2016 12:23:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jtpops on 11/23/2016 12:21:00 PM (view original):
No, you're being purposefully (or maybe not?) ignorant. A "stat" can only be calculated one way. Period.

See the homerun example above.

Let's say they were actually given different names, FIP-wins & ERA-wins, would that satisfy you?

It would help. But it wouldn't make the calculations less subjective.

Posted by jtpops on 11/23/2016 12:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 11/23/2016 12:23:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jtpops on 11/23/2016 12:21:00 PM (view original):
No, you're being purposefully (or maybe not?) ignorant. A "stat" can only be calculated one way. Period.

See the homerun example above.

Let's say they were actually given different names, FIP-wins & ERA-wins, would that satisfy you?

It would help. But it wouldn't make the calculations less subjective.

What do you mean by subjective?

Its certainly not subjective on a player by player basis.

Looking at bWAR for pitchers, you take runs allowed and innings pitched, compare it to average, and adjust for ballpark, competition, and defense.

Decisions were made regarding how those adjustments are done, but all of the adjustments are made in the same way for every player.

While WAR is fairly complicated, all stats that require any sort of calculation beyond counting faced some decisions related to how they would be calculated. Even a relatively simple stat like RBI. Are all runs batted in RBI? Nope. Someone made a decision that only certain runs batted in would count.

"What do you mean by subjective?"

You've asked me this like 12 times in the last two months. Get a dictionary.