@NotMrTibbs is at it again tracking the HOF ballots. Think of it as the premier exit poll during a presidential election. This campaign cycle is has been much more enjoyable!

https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=F2E5D8FC5199DFAF!7731&ithint=file,xlsx&app=Excel&authkey=!AE2Lu5P1f92OW8o

I really hope Raines gets in this year and doesn't have to wait for the Veterans Committee.

Expansion Era Committee. Whatever it is now...

I think Raines will get a lot of sentimental votes being his last year on the ballot. Should be a large class with Raines, Bagwell, Hoffman, Guerrero, and perhaps even Ivan Rodriguez all getting elected this year!

There are a couple interesting candidates on Today's Game ballot. I'd vote for Lou Piniella, John Schuerholtz, and George Steinbrenner. Mark McGwire feels like a HOFer but won't get in for obvious reasons. It's a shame!

http://?http://baseballhall.org/hof/2017-todays-game-era-ballot

What makes you think Guerrero is going in?

Posted by dahsdebater on 12/2/2016 12:13:00 AM (view original):
What makes you think Guerrero is going in?

Besides this, he feels like a HOFer and has no PED issues.

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Year	Age	Tm	Lg	G	PA	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	SB	CS	BB	SO	BA	OBP	SLG	OPS	OPS+	TB	GDP	HBP	SH	SF	IBB	Pos	Awards
1996	21	MON	NL	9	27	27	2	5	0	0	1	1	0	0	0	3	.185	.185	.296	.481	24	8	1	0	0	0	0	/98
1997	22	MON	NL	90	354	325	44	98	22	2	11	40	3	4	19	39	.302	.350	.483	.833	117	157	11	7	0	3	2	9/8	RoY-6
1998	23	MON	NL	159	677	623	108	202	37	7	38	109	11	9	42	95	.324	.371	.589	.960	150	367	15	7	0	5	13	*9	MVP-13
1999 ?	24	MON	NL	160	674	610	102	193	37	5	42	131	14	7	55	62	.316	.378	.600	.978	146	366	18	7	0	2	14	*9	AS,MVP-11,SS
2000 ?	25	MON	NL	154	641	571	101	197	28	11	44	123	9	10	58	74	.345	.410	.664	1.074	162	379	15	8	0	4	23	*9/D	AS,MVP-6,SS
2001 ?	26	MON	NL	159	671	599	107	184	45	4	34	108	37	16	60	88	.307	.377	.566	.943	139	339	24	9	0	3	24	*9	AS,MVP-24
2002 ?	27	MON	NL	161	709	614	106	206	37	2	39	111	40	20	84	70	.336	.417	.593	1.010	160	364	20	6	0	5	32	*9	AS,MVP-4,SS
2003	28	MON	NL	112	467	394	71	130	20	3	25	79	9	5	63	53	.330	.426	.586	1.012	156	231	18	6	0	4	22	*9	MVP-17
2004 ?	29	ANA	AL	156	680	612	124	206	39	2	39	126	15	3	52	74	.337	.391	.598	.989	157	366	19	8	0	8	14	*9D	AS,MVP-1,SS
2005 ?	30	LAA	AL	141	594	520	95	165	29	2	32	108	13	1	61	48	.317	.394	.565	.959	154	294	16	8	0	5	26	*9D	AS,MVP-3,SS
2006 ?	31	LAA	AL	156	665	607	92	200	34	1	33	116	15	5	50	68	.329	.382	.552	.934	138	335	16	4	0	4	25	*9D	AS,MVP-9,SS
2007 ?	32	LAA	AL	150	660	574	89	186	45	1	27	125	2	3	71	62	.324	.403	.547	.950	147	314	19	9	0	6	28	9D	AS,MVP-3,SS
2008	33	LAA	AL	143	600	541	85	164	31	3	27	91	5	3	51	77	.303	.365	.521	.886	130	282	27	4	0	4	16	9D	MVP-14
2009	34	LAA	AL	100	407	383	59	113	16	1	15	50	2	1	19	56	.295	.334	.460	.794	107	176	16	4	0	1	3	D/9
2010 ?	35	TEX	AL	152	643	593	83	178	27	1	29	115	4	5	35	60	.300	.345	.496	.841	119	294	19	9	0	6	5	*D9/7	AS,MVP-11,SS
2011	36	BAL	AL	145	590	562	60	163	30	1	13	63	2	2	17	56	.290	.317	.416	.733	98	234	23	7	0	4	3	*D
16 Yrs				2147	9059	8155	1328	2590	477	46	449	1496	181	94	737	985	.318	.379	.553	.931	140	4506	277	103	0	64	250

Vlad led the league in so many different categories it's mind boggling! The most telling stat, besides missing the 40/40 club by 1 HR in 2002, Vlad led the league in IBB 5 times including 4 straight from 2005-2008.

He's also led his respective league in PA, Runs Scored, Hits, Caught Stealing, Total Bases (x2), GIDP, and recorded over 200 hits in 4 seasons.

He received MVP votes in 12/16 seasons including 11 consecutive from 1998-2008, winning the 2004 AL MVP as a member of the California Angels.

9 All-Star teams and 8 Silver Sluggers later, and we have ourselves a 1st ballot HOFer!!

Since when is "caught stealing" a positive?

Raines, Bagwell, Hoffman, Guerrero, and perhaps even Ivan Rodriguez


Ugh.

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/2/2016 8:09:00 AM (view original):
Raines, Bagwell, Hoffman, Guerrero, and perhaps even Ivan Rodriguez


Ugh.

Yeah, I'd vote for Raines and Bagwell for sure. Maybe Pudge.

Not a fan of RPs in the HOF and if you vote for Vlad you also have to vote for Sheffield.

Posted by bad_luck on 12/2/2016 10:22:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/2/2016 8:09:00 AM (view original):
Raines, Bagwell, Hoffman, Guerrero, and perhaps even Ivan Rodriguez


Ugh.

Yeah, I'd vote for Raines and Bagwell for sure. Maybe Pudge.

Not a fan of RPs in the HOF and if you vote for Vlad you also have to vote for Sheffield.

Hit it on the nail. Although, wouldn't mind seeing Hoffman in. But not Lee Smith

Vlad obviously goes in at some point in the near future, largely because he managed, without being a "cream of the crop" type guy, to put up a stat line that appeals to both the traditionalists and the statheads. But he's not a cream guy for the Steroid Era. He's a good hitter from a time of numerous great hitters. He retired at least 2-3 seasons away from both 500 HRs and 3000 hits. And the ballot is still really, really crowded. It's a little bit tough for guys to get in right now because there are more than 10 guys who deserve serious consideration for a lot of voters on the list. The majority of voters voted for 10 guys this year, and a lot of them changed a few from the year prior. That just indicates that the voters can't quite make up their minds which 10 guys are the best. And on top of that, we know a lot of voters do prioritize guys closer to dropping off the back end of the list. So while I wouldn't be shocked for Vlad to go in this year, I don't think I'd just assume it.

Or put more simply, Guerrero is tied with Gary Sheffield for 6th in career OPS+ amongst the guys on the 2017 ballot. If you go by just OPS he's ahead of Sheffield, so give him 6th-best bat on the list. And if we assume Raines has a good shot, that puts him 7th on the totem pole. And if you further assume that Pudge, Posada, and Kent get some credit for being amongst the best hitters in history at their respective positions, now he's arguably 10th. And that's completely ignoring pitchers. There are at least 3 pitchers on the ballot right now I'd like to see get in (Clemens, Hoffman, Wagner), and Moose and Schilling are close for me and I know a lot of SABR guys really like them. Long story slightly shorter than last time, there's plenty of ways to see a 10-man ballot that doesn't find room for Big Bad Vlad this year.