For those of you old enough to have played this stupid game at the arcades. The losing team would make a come back shooting 3s no matter what you did on defense......

Sound like our HD crap?? We won in the final seconds. But I see this same bullshit time and time again.

00:33	North Carolina	The rebound goes to Scott Struthers	62-67
Game Plan	North Carolina	North Carolina is playing a quick shot offense (quick shot) and intentionally fouling (+2)
Game Plan	Wisconsin	Wisconsin is playing a spread offense (hold ball) and a man to man (+5)
00:27	North Carolina	Scotty Urban hits a 3 from the left wing set up by Shaiming Xayavong	65-67
00:25	Wisconsin	Andrew Rowlett is fouled in the backcourt by Scotty Urban - foul #5 on Scotty Urban, team foul #8	65-67
Subs	North Carolina	Uros Laskoski (PG) Scotty Urban
Subs	Wisconsin
00:25	Wisconsin	Andrew Rowlett makes the 1st free throw	65-68
00:25	Wisconsin	Andrew Rowlett makes the 2nd free throw	65-69
00:21	North Carolina	Christopher Carter hits a 3pt jumper from the left corner	68-69
00:18	Wisconsin	Wilson Patterson is hacked by Uros Laskoski in the backcourt - foul #2 on Uros Laskoski, team foul #9	68-69
00:18	Wisconsin	Wilson Patterson makes the 1st free throw	68-70
00:18	Wisconsin	Wilson Patterson makes the 2nd free throw	68-71
Game Plan	North Carolina	North Carolina is playing a motion offense (slowdown) and intentionally fouling (+2)
Game Plan	Wisconsin	Wisconsin is playing a spread offense (hold ball) and a man to man (+5)
00:05	North Carolina	Christopher Carter makes the 3pt shot from the left corner on a great pass from Ronald Eades	71-71
00:05	Wisconsin	Wisconsin calls a :30 timeout (1 :30 4 full remaining)	71-71
Game Plan	North Carolina	North Carolina is playing a motion offense (slowdown) and a man to man (+2)
Game Plan	Wisconsin	Wisconsin is playing a spread offense (hold ball) and a man to man (+5)
Game Plan	North Carolina	North Carolina is playing a motion offense (slowdown) and a man to man (+2)
Game Plan	Wisconsin	Wisconsin is playing a quick shot offense (quick shot) and a man to man (+5)

Most games that are within 10 points in the final minutes are going to end with the losing team jacking up 3s and intentionally fouling, because that's how most humans are going to set their late game preferences. Do you think it is effective - i.e., the behind team makes a succession of shots and ties or wins the game - an inordinate amount of time? Go back through your game logs, and I doubt it works more often than rational probabilities would suggest. In other words, it's very unlikely that anything like that is coded to be successful. Sometimes guys hit 3 in a row, even when you play +5. As in real life.

I think it is effective against a +5 an inordinate amount of time. However, the issue may go back to Seble fuking up the impact of defensive positioning in one of his early blunders on this site, versus a specific end of game issue.

mully, this totally seems to happen all the freakin time!

I'm curious how much you expect positioning to affect 3pt shooting %. I've assumed it's something around 10% in either direction (so +5 reducing 3pt% by 10%, -5 increasing 3pt% by 10%). Any more than that doesn't seem very realistic to me, but obviously others may disagree.

That sounds reasonable, and may have been what it was like before Seble got his hands on it,

Completely agree with this post, its very frustrating.

This just happened in my S16 game last night. Other team went 4-4 from 3 in the last 50 seconds. I got lucky with some steals and was able to hold on.

https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/GameResults/BoxScore.aspx?gid=13884099&tab=boxscore

Yep, total bull&*&^

To me something more frustrating is a foul, game tied, less than 10 secs, the other team is not even shooting but is on the bonus.. It happens often.

The problems I've always had with quick shot are twofold:

1. I am pretty certain there is no built-in "penalty" for shooters in it. That is, at worst, I think a player has the same chances of sinking a 3 in QS as they do in any other offensive set, which seems a dubious premise given the frantic nature of looking for the first available chance to chuck it up at the bucket rather than an offense designed to specifically get shooters clean looks.

2. The timing, in my mind, creates a crazy number of possession in HD. No, I haven't tried to do a comparison, in part because I don't have access to enough data on either side of the equation, but my gut tells me HD packs in way more possessions in the final 60 seconds of a game when in quick shot/intentional foul mode than actually happens.

I shot off a sarcastic note to CS shortly after quick shot made its appearance begging to know if there was some way I could get my team to run it for a full game because the 3-point percentages seemed ungodly. I was assured that there was no coding in the game designed to entice closer finishes or end-of-game drama.

I've ALWAYS set my "if winning late" strategy to: man-to-man, +5, if winning by 3, with 1:00 remaining. And I can tell you almost without a doubt that the losing teams chances of making 3pt shots is definitely increased in the last minute of a game. This drove me absolutely nuts.

I'm dropping this world at the end of the season because of WIS' ineptitude so I don't really give a ****...but just showing more examples of the late game bullshit that is WIS. Just drop all coaching options if they are this fukcing useless. We recruit then SIM the whole fukcing season in a day.

00:14	Arkansas	Rudolph Lacour is fouled in the backcourt by Franklin Jordan - foul #3 on Franklin Jordan, team foul #10	86-85
00:14	Arkansas	Rudolph Lacour makes the 1st free throw	87-85
00:14	Arkansas	Rudolph Lacour makes the 2nd free throw	88-85
Game Plan	Arkansas	Arkansas is playing a spread offense (hold ball) and a man to man (+5)
Game Plan	Alabama	Alabama is playing a motion offense (uptempo) and intentionally fouling (-3)
00:10	Alabama	Franklin Jordan scores on a 3pt shot from the right corner on a great pass from Stanley Forgey	88-88
00:10	Arkansas	Arkansas calls a :30 timeout (1 :30 3 full remaining)	88-88

More horseshit......just gotta shake your head..
I count 4-5 shooting from the arc vs a +5. Seems like this can ONLY be done in the last bullshit minutes of games...

00:52	Wisconsin	Myron Ramey is hacked by Robert Hawkins - foul #4 on Robert Hawkins, team foul #7	81-75
00:52	Wisconsin	Myron Ramey makes the 1st free throw	82-75
00:52	Wisconsin	Myron Ramey makes the 2nd free throw	83-75
Game Plan	Wisconsin	Wisconsin is playing a spread offense (hold ball) and a man to man (+5)
Game Plan	Michigan	Michigan is playing a quick shot offense (quick shot) and intentionally fouling (-3)
00:44	Michigan	Robert Hawkins knocks in the 3 from the left corner	83-78
00:43	Wisconsin	Daniel Ammons is hacked by Robert Hawkins in the backcourt - foul #5 on Robert Hawkins, team foul #8	83-78
Subs	Wisconsin
Subs	Michigan	Roger Merritt (SG) Robert Hawkins
00:43	Wisconsin	Daniel Ammons misses the 1st free throw	83-78
00:43	Michigan	Patrick Abbott gets the rebound	83-78
00:35	Michigan	Roger Merritt can't connect on a shot from the left wing	83-78
00:33	Wisconsin	The rebound goes to Myron Ramey	83-78
00:32	Wisconsin	Jonathan Dall is called for the reach on Myron Ramey in the backcourt - foul #3 on Jonathan Dall, team foul #9	83-78
00:32	Wisconsin	Myron Ramey makes the 1st free throw	84-78
00:32	Wisconsin	Myron Ramey makes the 2nd free throw	85-78
00:26	Michigan	Jonathan Dall shoots over the doubleteam and knocks in the 3 from the left wing	85-81
Game Plan	Wisconsin	Wisconsin is playing a spread offense (hold ball) and a man to man (+5)
Game Plan	Michigan	Michigan is playing a quick shot offense (quick shot) and intentionally fouling (-2)
00:25	Wisconsin	Jonathan Dall is called for the reach on Myron Ramey in the backcourt - foul #4 on Jonathan Dall, team foul #10	85-81
Subs	Wisconsin	Samuel Mitchell (SG) Daniel Ammons
Subs	Michigan
00:25	Wisconsin	Myron Ramey makes the 1st free throw	86-81
00:25	Wisconsin	Myron Ramey makes the 2nd free throw	87-81
00:18	Michigan	Jonathan Dall shoots over the doubleteam and knocks in the 3 pointer from the right wing on a nice dish by Louis Wilson	87-84
00:15	Wisconsin	Jonathan Dall is called for the reach on Myron Ramey in the backcourt - foul #5 on Jonathan Dall, team foul #11	87-84
Subs	Wisconsin
Subs	Michigan	Stephen Baber (SG) Jonathan Dall
00:15	Wisconsin	Myron Ramey makes the 1st free throw	88-84
00:15	Wisconsin	Myron Ramey makes the 2nd free throw	89-84
00:12	Michigan	Michigan calls a full timeout (2 :30 2 full remaining)	89-84
Subs	Wisconsin	Daniel Ammons (SG) Samuel Mitchell
Subs	Michigan
00:10	Michigan	Patrick Abbott hits a 3pt shot from the left wing	89-87
00:07	Wisconsin	Roger Merritt is called for the reach on Myron Ramey in the backcourt - foul #4 on Roger Merritt, team foul #12	89-87
00:07	Wisconsin	Myron Ramey makes the 1st free throw	90-87
00:07	Wisconsin	Myron Ramey makes the 2nd free throw	91-87
00:02	Michigan	Patrick Abbott misses the 3 pointer from the left corner	91-87
00:01	Wisconsin	The rebound goes to William Renaud	91-87
Game Plan	Wisconsin	Wisconsin is playing a spread offense (hold ball) and a man to man (+5)
Game Plan	Michigan	Michigan is playing a quick shot offense (quick shot) and a 3-2 zone (-2)
00:00	Wisconsin	William Renaud runs out the clock	91-87

And two of them were dropped in over double teams no less. Crazy.