I tried something like this a few years back and I know many of you enjoyed it. I wanted to try again on a less complicated scale to use the WHATIF engine to play out a tournament to see who the greatest team of all time is. Here is the format:

There will be 256 teams that will be reduced down to one after a best of seven series. The teams will consist of:

- 112 World Series Champions
- 112 World Series runners up
- 32 Wild card teams

The 32 Wild Card teams will be determined in a preliminary round where I will choose 64 of the best teams off alltime that did not win the pennant and face them off. The winners will join the overall pool.

I hope you enjoy this and will follow. I will post the 64 Wild Card teams next and will also create a master bracket that we all can follow.

Thanks

Here are the 64 non pennant winning teams that will participate in the preliminary round:

1. 1904 New York Giants
2. 1909 Chicago Cubs
3. 1942 Brooklyn Dodgers
4. 1954 New York Yankees
5. 1997 Atlanta Braves
6. 2005 St. Louis Cardinals
7. 2001 Seattle Mariners
8. 1993 SF Giants
9. 1908 NY Giants
10. 1928 Philadelphia A's
11. 1915 Detroit Tigers
12. 1909 Philadelphia A's
13. 2001 Oakland A's
14. 2011 Philadelphia Phillies
15. 2006 NY Mets
16. 1949 Boston Red Sox
17. 1931 NY Yankees
18. 2004 NY Yankees
19. 1993 Atlanta Braves
20. 1935 St. Louis Cardinals
21. 1961 Detroit Tigers
22. 2010 Philadelphia Phillies
23. 1980 Baltimore Orioles
24. 1905 Chicago Cubs
25. 1954 Chicago White Sox
26. 1941 St. Louis Cardinals
27. 1998 Houston Astros
28. 1988 New York Mets
29. 1948 NY Yankees
30. 1994 Montreal Expos
31. 2002 Oakland A's
32. 1908 Pittsburgh Pirates
33. 2002 Atlanta Braves
34. 2010 NY Yankees
35. 1945 St. Louis Cardinals
36. 1920 NY Yankees
37. 1915 Chicago White Sox
38. 2009 Anaheim Angels
39. 1949 St. Louis Cardinals
40. 1977 KC Royals
41. 1948 Boston Red Sox
42. 1962 LA Dodgers
43. 2008 Boston Red Sox
44. 1972 Pittsburgh Pirates
45. 1964 Chicago White Sox
46. 1912 Pittsburgh Pirates
47. 1985 NY Yankees
48. 2002 NY Yankees
49. 1904 Boston Americans
50. 1932 Philadelphia A's
51. 1964 Philadelphia Phillies
52. 1950 Boston Red Sox
53. 1922 St. Louis Browns
54. 1942 Boston Red Sox
55. 2003 Atlanta Braves
56. 1930 Washington Senators
57. 2007 Cleveland Indians
58. 1934 NY Giants
59. 1985 NY Mets
60. 1921 Cleveland Indians
61. 1978 Boston Red Sox
62. 1984 Chicago Cubs
63. 2016 LA Dodgers
64. 1987 Toronto Blue Jays

The matchups will be drawn next.

Preliminary Round 1


1908 New York Giants (98-56) vs 1948 Boston Red Sox (96-59)

1948 Red Sox win series 4 games to 3
Series MVP: Joe Dobson (2-0, 1.00 ERA, 27 IP, 3 ER, 4 K)

Game 1
At The Polo Grounds
1948 Red Sox..................5
1908 Giants.....................3 (11 inn)

Game 2
At Polo Grounds
1948 Red Sox.................5
1908 Giants....................6 (13 inn)

Game 3
At Fenway Park
1908 Giants..................2
1948 Red Sox..............1

Game 4
At Fenway Park
1908 Giants.................1
1948 Red Sox.............2

Game 5
At Fenway Park
1908 Giants...............4
1948 Red Sox...........13

Game 6
At Polo Grounds
1948 Red Sox............1
1908 Giants...............2

Game 7
At Polo Grounds
1948 Red Sox.............8
1908 Giants................1

1906 NY Giants	AB	H	HR	RBI	AVG	SB
Al Bridwell	34	8	0	0	0.235	0
Larry Doyle	33	10	0	4	0.303	0
Mike Donlin	30	7	0	0	0.233	1
Roger Bresnahan	30	5	0	1	0.167	1
Moose McCormick	31	13	0	1	0.419	2
Cy Seymour	30	9	0	3	0.300	0
Fred Tenney	26	4	0	1	0.154	1
Art Devlin	26	8	0	6	0.308	1
Buck Herzog	5	2	0	1	0.400	0
Tom Needham	2	0	0	0	0.000	0
Spike Shannon	1	0	0	0	0.000	0
Totals	248	66	0	17	0.266	6
	IP	W	L	ER	K	BB	ERA
Christy Mathewson	29	1	2	9	10	9	2.79
Dummy Taylor	9.6	0	1	6	2	1	5.63
Bill Malarkey	2	0	0	0	2	3	0.00
Hooks Wiltse	14	0	0	2	3	8	1.29
Red Ames	1	1	0	0	1	0	0.00
Doc Crandall	13	1	0	5	3	4	3.46
Joe McGinnity	1.3	0	1	6	0	3	41.54
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Totals	69.9	3	4	28	21	28	3.61
1948 Boston Red Sox	AB	H	HR	RBI	AVG	SB
Dom Dimaggio	36	13	0	1	0.361	0
Billy Goodman	35	10	0	3	0.286	0
Ted Williams	28	12	1	5	0.429	0
Bobby Doerr	34	9	0	3	0.265	0
Vern Stephens	33	10	1	8	0.303	0
Stan Spence	32	8	2	10	0.250	0
Birdie Tebbetts	33	7	0	1	0.212	0
Johnny Pesky	31	11	1	1	0.355	0
Billy Hitchcock	3	2	0	0	0.667	0
Sam Mele	2	0	0	0	0.000	0
					#DIV/0!
Totals	267	82	5	32	0.307	0
	IP	W	L	ER	K	BB	ERA
Joe Dobson	27	2	0	3	4	7	1.00
Earl Johnson	6.3	0	0	3	2	2	4.29
Dave Ferris	6.3	1	0	1	2	2	1.43
Jack Kramer	8.6	0	0	3	1	1	3.14
Danny Galehouse	6	0	1	1	1	2	1.50
Mickey Harris	2	0	1	1	0	0	4.50
Mel Parnell	8	0	1	2	2	2	2.25
Ellis Kinder	6	1	0	3	1	3	4.50
							#DIV/0!
							#DIV/0!
							#DIV/0!
Totals	70.2	4	3	17	13	19	2.18

Posted by ozomatli on 12/15/2016 12:14:00 AM (view original):
Hey nkokosioulis, you may have more luck posting this in the Theme League Classifieds.

Not exactly a league, I am using Simatchup to get results of my own. I did this before and it had a good following, but it was a while ago.

Let me know if I should move it.
Thanks

No, don't move it. I enjoyed reading these before. Looking forward to this one.

I agree with crazystengel. Keep posting. Great list of teams added to the World Series winners and runners up.

This should be fun.

Yep, sorry. Deleted my post when I realized what this was meant to be! Love it.

2005 St. Louis Cardinals defeat 1985 New York Mets 4 games to 2
Series MVP; Albert Pujols (,296, 3 HR, 6 RBI)

The Cardinals behind some great pitching defeat the Mets and move on. Jason Marquis pitched a complete game shutout in game 2 and Chris Carpenter allowed three runs in his two starts. The Mets couldnt followup a game one win and lost two out of three at Shea. In Game Six Albert Pujols hit a go ahead home run that would be the difference in a 7-6 win

Game 1
Busch Stadium
85 Mets	6
05 Cardinals	2
Game 2
Busch Stadium
85 Mets	0
05 Cardinals	2
Game 3
At Shea Stadium
05 Cardinals	12
85 Mets	2
Game 4
At Shea Stadium
05 Cardinals	5
85 Mets	0
Game 5
At Shea Stadium
05 Cardinals	1
85 Mets	4
Game 6
At Busch Stadium
85 Mets	6
05 Cardinals	7

1985 NY Mets	AB	H	HR	RBI	AVG	SB
Wally Backman	25	7	0	1	0.280	0
Keith Hernandez	20	3	0	1	0.150	0
Darryl Strawberry	23	5	1	3	0.217	0
Gary Carter	22	6	1	4	0.273	0
George Foster	23	2	0	0	0.087	0
Mookie Wilson	21	5	0	3	0.238	0
Rafael Santana	20	2	0	1	0.100	0
Howard Johnson	20	4	0	2	0.200	0
Danny Heep	1	0	0	0	0.000	0
					#DIV/0!	0
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Totals	175	34	2	15	0.194	0
	IP	W	L	ER	K	BB	ERA
Dwight Gooden	17	1	0	7	16	8	3.71
Jesse Orosco	5	0	0	0	7	0	0.00
Ron Darling	14	0	2	7	14	6	4.50
Ed Lynch	1.6	0	1	6	1	0	33.75
Calvin Schiraldi	2	0	0	0	2	1	0.00
Rick Aguilera	5.6	0	0	5	5	3	8.04
Terry Leach	0.6	0	0	1	1	0	15.00
Sid Fernandez	5	1	0	1	2	4	1.80
							#DIV/0!
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Totals	50.8	2	3	27	48	22	4.78
2005 St. Louis Cardinals	AB	H	HR	RBI	AVG	SB
David Eckstein	27	8	0	5	0.296	2
Larry Walker	28	6	1	1	0.214	0
Albert Pujols	27	8	3	6	0.296	0
Jim Edmonds	20	6	0	3	0.300	0
Reggie Sanders	24	6	1	6	0.250	1
Mark Grudzielanek	24	8	0	1	0.333	1
Abraham Nunez	22	5	0	1	0.227	0
Yadier Molina	23	8	0	5	0.348	1
John Rodriguez	3	1	0	0	0.333	0
					#DIV/0!
					#DIV/0!
Totals	198	56	5	28	0.283	5
	IP	W	L	ER	K	BB	ERA
Chris Carpenter	14	1	1	3	9	5	1.93
Al Reyes	4.6	0	0	0	8	4	0.00
Julian Tavarez	2.3	0	0	0	1	0	0.00
Randy Flores	0.6	0	0	1	1	1	15.00
Brad Thompson	0.3	0	0	0	0	0	0.00
Jason Marquis	16	2	0	5	7	2	2.81
Mark Mulder	7	1	0	2	4	0	2.57
Jeff Suppan	6	0	1	4	4	4	6.00
Jason Isringhausen	1	0	0	0	1	1	0.00
							#DIV/0!
							#DIV/0!
Totals	51.8	4	2	15	35	17	2.61

This one counts as an upset in my book.

Posted by OleProfessor on 12/17/2016 4:43:00 PM (view original):
This one counts as an upset in my book.

I tend to agree. We will see how the 100 win 1988 Mets do as they are up next against the 99 win 1978 Red Sox.

1988 New York Mets (100-60) defeat 1978 Boston Red Sox (99-64) 4 games to 2
Series MVP: Mookie Wilson (.400, 1 HR, 6 RBI, 2 SB)

The Mets take care of the hard luck Red Sox and do so with two shutouts. New York had a 1.57 team ERA and great pen help with the likes of Roger McDowell pitching 10 scoreless innings. Legends like Carl Yazstremski struggled as the Red Sox just couldn't match the Mets. Jim Rice did have two home runs in the series.

Game 1
At Shea Stadium
78 Red Sox	4
88 Mets	8
Game 2
At Shea Stadium
78 Red Sox	2
88 Mets	1
Game 3
At Fenway Park
88 Mets	10
78 Red Sox	0
Game 4
At Fenway Park
88 Mets	2
78 Red Sox	4
Game 5
At Fenway Park
88 Mets	3
78 Red Sox	0
Game 6
At Shea Stadium
78 Red Sox	3
88 Mets	5
1988 NY Mets AB H HR RBI AVG SB Howard Johnson 23 3 0 3 0.130 2 Darryl Strawberry 24 7 0 6 0.292 0 Kevin McReynolds 27 7 1 7 0.259 0 Mookie Wilson 25 10 1 6 0.400 2 Keith Hernandez 26 6 0 2 0.231 1 Gary Carter 24 11 0 0 0.458 0 Kevin Elster 22 4 0 2 0.182 0 Wally Backman 20 5 0 2 0.250 0 Greg Jeffries 1 1 0 0 1.000 0 Dave Magadan 11 3 0 0 0.273 0 #DIV/0! Totals 203 57 2 28 0.281 5 IP W L ER K BB ERA Ron Darling 14 1 1 4 8 3 2.57 Roger McDowell 9.3 0 0 0 2 0 0.00 Dwight Gooden 13.3 1 1 5 17 1 3.38 Sid Fernandez 6 1 0 0 9 2 0.00 Tommy Leach 1 0 0 0 0 0 0.00 Bob Ojeda 6 1 0 0 3 3 0.00 Randy Myers 2 0 0 0 2 0 0.00 #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! #DIV/0! Totals 51.6 4 2 9 41 9 1.57 1978 Boston Red Sox AB H HR RBI AVG SB Jerry Remy 26 5 0 1 0.192 3 Jim Rice 24 8 2 4 0.333 0 Fred Lynn 22 2 0 1 0.091 0 Carlton Fisk 22 6 0 1 0.273 0 Dwight Evans 23 7 0 0 0.304 0 Butch Hobson 22 6 1 2 0.273 0 Rick Burleson 22 8 0 1 0.364 0 George Scott 20 4 0 2 0.200 0 Carl Yastremski 13 0 0 0 0.000 0 #DIV/0! #DIV/0! Totals 194 46 3 12 0.237 3 IP W L ER K BB ERA Dennis Eckersley 15 1 1 6 7 4 3.60 Mike Torrez 13 1 1 9 7 7 6.23 Bob Stanley 7 0 0 0 2 2 0.00 Tom Burgmeier 0.6 0 0 1 0 0 15.00 Bill Campbell 0.3 0 0 0 0 0 0.00 Luis Tiant 7.3 0 1 6 8 4 7.40 Andy Hassler 0.6 0 0 0 1 0 0.00 Dick Drago 1 0 0 4 2 1 36.00 Bill Lee 7 0 1 2 6 2 2.57 #DIV/0! #DIV/0! Totals 51.8 2 4 28 33 20 4.86

That's a great matchup, two teams that looked like they had it wrapped up. One bumped out by Bucky Dent's HR in a special one-game playoff, after the Yankees came back from 14 games down in July, and the other losing unexpectedly to the Dodgers in the NCLS.

Both teams full of memorable personalities.

Rolen missed much of the year with a shoulder injury.

2008 Boston Red Sox (95-67) defeat 1920 New York Yankees (95-59) 4 games to 1
Series MVP: Dustin Pedroia (.409, 2 HR, 2 RBI, 2 SB)

After losing the opening game at the Polo Grounds, the Red Sox turned the tables on their rivals and won five games in a row. Mike Lowell singled the walk off winning run in the bottom of the ninth of game five to clinch a series that many though would be alot closer. Babe Ruth hit three home runs but all were solo shots as the Bambino only had three RBI.

Game 1
At Polo Grounds
08 Red Sox	2
20 Yankees	3
Game 2
At Polo Grounds
08 Red Sox	5
20 Yankees	2
Game 3
At Fenway Park
20 Yankees	4
08 Red Sox	6
Game 4
At Fenway Park
20 Yankees	4
08 Red Sox	5	(10 inn)
Game 5
At Fenway Park
20 Yankees	5
08 Red Sox	6

1920 New York Yankees	AB	H	HR	RBI	AVG	SB
Roger Peckinpaugh	23	7	0	1	0.304	0
Ping Bodie	21	4	1	2	0.190	0
Babe Ruth	19	6	3	3	0.316	0
Bob Meusel	20	9	1	1	0.450	0
Del Pratt	20	7	0	3	0.350	1
Wally Pipp	19	6	0	1	0.316	0
Aaron Ward	19	7	2	4	0.368	0
Muddy Ruel	20	4	0	0	0.200	1
Sammy Vick	2	1	0	1	0.500	0
Duffy Lewis	11	3	1	1	0.273	0
					#DIV/0!
Totals	174	54	8	17	0.310	2
	IP	W	L	ER	K	BB	ERA
Carl Mays	15.6	0	0	6	3	8	3.46
Rip Collins	7.3	1	1	4	7	8	4.93
Jack Quinn	7.3	0	1	5	3	1	6.16
Rip Collins	1.6	0	0	0	1	0	0.00
Bob Shawkey	7	0	1	4	6	5	5.14
George Mogridge	5	0	0	3	1	2	5.40
Ernie Shore	1.6	0	0	0	1	0	0.00
Bob McGraw	0	0	1	2	0	1	INF
							#DIV/0!
							#DIV/0!
							#DIV/0!
Totals	45.4	1	4	24	22	25	4.76
2008 Boston Red Sox	AB	H	HR	RBI	AVG	SB
Jacoby Ellsbury	24	4	0	1	0.167	1
Dustin Pedroia	22	9	2	2	0.409	1
Kevin Youkilis	18	6	2	7	0.333	0
J.D. Drew	21	5	0	2	0.238	0
Mike Lowell	22	5	2	5	0.227	0
Jed Lowrie	21	6	0	1	0.286	0
Jason Varitek	19	10	1	3	0.526	0
Coco Crisp	17	4	0	0	0.235	2
Manny Ramirez	1	1	0	0	1.000	0
Jason Bay	1	0	0	0	0.000	0
Julio Lugo	1	1	0	1	1.000	0
David Ortiz	8	2	0	2	0.250	0
Totals	175	53	7	24	0.303	4
	IP	W	L	ER	K	BB	ERA
Josh Beckett	11	0	0	5	9	3	4.09
Manny Delcarmen	5.6	0	0	3	6	2	4.82
Jonathan Paplebon	2.3	0	0	2	3	0	7.83
Daisuke Matsuzaka	7.3	1	0	1	7	4	1.23
Hideki Okajima	2.6	2	0	0	1	1	0.00
Jon Lester	7.3	1	0	3	6	0	3.70
Justin Masterson	2.3	0	0	0	2	1	0.00
Tim Wakefield	7	0	0	4	5	0	5.14
							#DIV/0!
							#DIV/0!
							#DIV/0!
Totals	45.4	4	0	18	39	11	3.57