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Posted by MikeT23 on 1/4/2017 2:48:00 PM (view original):
ERA and saves are close to 10% different. Would 90% of your salary be "relatively close" to what you're making? If so, send me that 10%. Thanks in advance.

Both Hoffman and Rivera averaged 39 saves a year.

652 to 601 was the numbers we were discussing, no?

You're getting faster as you age. It used to take you 3-4 posts to change the argument but now you're doing it in one. PED use?

Well, you flipped to percentages so I figured averages were OK too.

Well, I thought I'd use something you'd understand because it you think 2.76/3.08 and 652/601 are "relatively same", you're misunderstanding something.

Will you be sending me $51 for every $652 you make? You can keep the "relatively same" $601.

You don't think those numbers are comparable?

Putting aside the fact that saves are a useless stat, over 19 years, Rivera saved 652 games, averaging 39 per 162 games.

Over 18 years, Hoffman saved 601 games, averaging 39 per 162 games.

Seems pretty comparable to me. Relatively close is the term I used.

"Relatively same," doesn't make sense. No one says that.

OK, you can keep the "relatively close" $601 of every $652 you make. Should I set up a paypal account?

Hell, if you don't want that deal, you can keep the "relatively close" $2.76 of every $3.08 you make. Which deal would you prefer?

BL, you really need to stop posting. You make anyone with a position even remotely close to yours look incredibly stupid by comparison with the comments you make.

Even when someone tries to help steer you back to some semblance of sanity, you continue to defend a foolish position or pretend you meant something different all along. You and Mikey really are the same person.

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/4/2017 3:19:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 1/4/2017 3:11:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by bad_luck on 1/4/2017 2:55:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/4/2017 2:55:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 1/4/2017 2:51:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/4/2017 2:48:00 PM (view original):
ERA and saves are close to 10% different. Would 90% of your salary be "relatively close" to what you're making? If so, send me that 10%. Thanks in advance.

Both Hoffman and Rivera averaged 39 saves a year.

652 to 601 was the numbers we were discussing, no?

You're getting faster as you age. It used to take you 3-4 posts to change the argument but now you're doing it in one. PED use?

Well, you flipped to percentages so I figured averages were OK too.

Well, I thought I'd use something you'd understand because it you think 2.76/3.08 and 652/601 are "relatively same", you're misunderstanding something.

Will you be sending me $51 for every $652 you make? You can keep the "relatively same" $601.

You don't think those numbers are comparable?

Putting aside the fact that saves are a useless stat, over 19 years, Rivera saved 652 games, averaging 39 per 162 games.

Over 18 years, Hoffman saved 601 games, averaging 39 per 162 games.

Seems pretty comparable to me. Relatively close is the term I used.

"Relatively same," doesn't make sense. No one says that.

OK, you can keep the "relatively close" $601 of every $652 you make. Should I set up a paypal account?

It's not a rate stat.

If you earned $652 over 20 years and I earned $601 over 20 years, I'd say we were comparable in our earnings. Relatively close to each other in total.

So you just wanna send me a lump sum of $1020? That's fine.

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/4/2017 3:34:00 PM (view original):
So you just wanna send me a lump sum of $1020? That's fine.

Why would I do that?

To get me to stop beating on your nonsensical claim that 652 and 601 are "relatively close".

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/4/2017 3:37:00 PM (view original):
To get me to stop beating on your nonsensical claim that 652 and 601 are "relatively close".

Where did you get 1020?

"If you earned $652 over 20 years and I earned $601 over 20 years, I'd say we were comparable in our earnings. Relatively close to each other in total."


Seriously, I'm not a fan of the "save" stat. It's just retarded to say 652 and 601 are "relatively close". Rivera and Hoffman aren't "relatively close" in HOF-worthiness either. It's a dumb argument to have but I had a few minutes. And now I don't.

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/4/2017 3:55:00 PM (view original):
"If you earned $652 over 20 years and I earned $601 over 20 years, I'd say we were comparable in our earnings. Relatively close to each other in total."


Seriously, I'm not a fan of the "save" stat. It's just retarded to say 652 and 601 are "relatively close". Rivera and Hoffman aren't "relatively close" in HOF-worthiness either. It's a dumb argument to have but I had a few minutes. And now I don't.

Oh, honey. You really are retarded. You multiplied 51 * 20 and got 1020. No. Not 652 and 601 per year.

You earned 652 in total over 20 years. I earned 601 in total over 20 years.

That's comparable. Relatively close.

Interesting conversation. For many there are no right answers. Here are my thoughts

1. Edgar Martinez is/was the best DH since MLB adopted the DH rule. Frank Thomas & David Ortiz were also great DH's. The DH is a position in MLB. Thus all three belong in the Hall of Fame.

2. The game has evolved over the years. The role of closer could not have been foreseen 100 years ago. But in today's game without a stud closer you will not win the World Series. Rivera, Hoffman, Wagner and Lee Smith all belong in the HOF.

3. Mike Mussina is a top 30 pitcher of all time? As an Oriole fan, I love Mike Mussina but reality is he wasn't even the best pitcher of his era. Randy Johnson, Clemens, Petro, Maddox, best case scenario he was the 5th best of his time. Throw Glavine or Schilling into the mix, Mussina may even drop farther down the list. Does Mussina deserve to be in the HOF...........maybe. He was a very good pitcher in an era of hitters. Tough call.

4. Bonds, Sosa, Clemens, McGuire and more. Simply put steroids were part of the culture of baseball for those years. MLB/Selig chose to turn a blind eye to PED usage. Did not the Sosa/McGuire HR race of 1998 help baseball? Did it not help rebuild baseball after the '94 strike? Selig had to have known about the usage of PEDs in the game but yet for the "good of the game" kept his mouth shut. Only after the fact did he take a stand against "roids". Either allow them all in or block all of them. You can't pick and choose. This also includes Selig. If he can be in the Hall then so can (and should be) Bonds, Clemens.......

Anyways, my 2 bits on the subject.

In other news, Jeff Mathis signed with the Blue Jays. We'll have to wait another 7 years before his enshrinement

Posted by bad_luck on 1/4/2017 4:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/4/2017 3:55:00 PM (view original):
"If you earned $652 over 20 years and I earned $601 over 20 years, I'd say we were comparable in our earnings. Relatively close to each other in total."


Seriously, I'm not a fan of the "save" stat. It's just retarded to say 652 and 601 are "relatively close". Rivera and Hoffman aren't "relatively close" in HOF-worthiness either. It's a dumb argument to have but I had a few minutes. And now I don't.

Oh, honey. You really are retarded. You multiplied 51 * 20 and got 1020. No. Not 652 and 601 per year.

You earned 652 in total over 20 years. I earned 601 in total over 20 years.

That's comparable. Relatively close.

So you only want to send me $51? That's fine. Since it's only $51, a WifS GC will be fine. Thanks, bro!!

Just you watch. You're not getting a single penny from PSBL.

You can take that to the bank.

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Posted by wylie715 on 1/3/2017 7:07:00 PM (view original):
yeah, but it was 80 innings for the Padres. who cared?

Clearly you're going to make whatever rationalizations you have to in order to exclude Hoffman, so there's really no point in continuing this debate.

I never said Hoffman should e excluded. Just saying he's not close to being in the same class as Rivera.

I've never said he's close. I said he's a distant second. But he's also well up on the third-place RP, whoever that may be.

Rivera is head and shoulders better. My point is simply that the only way you can justify including Rivera and not Hoffman in the HOF is if your position is that Rivera is the only RP who should be in the hall. Which I think is a foolish position. Hoffman was an all-time great at what he did.

and I never said Rivera should be in and Hoffman should not. I just said Rivera was much better than Hoffman.
I don't think anyone is saying Rivera is the only RP who should be in the hall. Since there are already others there, its kind of a moot point.