Posted by jt7king on 12/27/2016 10:21:00 AM (view original):
Trading down and getting O Rob and Mourning... nice bds.

Crazy nice bds!

actually fairly chalk judging from previous drafts

Mourning down 16 picks, O Rob down 6 from last draft. It was bandit that took Mourning at the turn last draft and I'm not a big O Rob fan at 47 mil but still good value.

and the season before that Zo went 35 and Big O went 41

Now that Zo has been drafted - Zo is another one I put ahead of Dream.

Nice to see the Lord of the Rings being drafted lower & lower. Too bad he wasn't better at defense. I mean, he was okay, but he's no (**** I about said an undrafted guy!)

Posted by ashamael on 12/27/2016 4:13:00 PM (view original):
Now that Zo has been drafted - Zo is another one I put ahead of Dream.

Zo is the guy I really wanted to discuss in relation to David Robinson. Is it better to get Zo here or The Admiral in the top half of the 1st?

Admiral, but it's much, much closer than most people want to say.

90-91 season (ie the Kitchen Sink)

	Usage%	FG%+	eFG%	OReb%	DReb%	Ast%	Stl%	Blk%
Advanced	26.6	116	55.2	12.0	23.2	7.7	1.7	5.6

$10,097,702

91-92 (bargain)

	Usage%	FG%+	eFG%	OReb%	DReb%	Ast%	Stl%	Blk%
Advanced	24.7	117	55.2	10.8	22.5	8.4	2.7	6.6

$7,977,237

Zo's 97-98

	Usage%	FG%+	eFG%	OReb%	DReb%	Ast%	Stl%	Blk%
Advanced	28.1	123	55.1	8.9	20.4	6.0	0.7	6.4

$8,037,283

What you're not seeing is Zo's 16 tov% & 5.4 pf48. Admiral is 13.7/4.1 & 12.1/4.1. Admiral is also much better at getting to the line. I think those (along with the slight rebounding advantage) give the edge to the Admiral, but Zo is still excellent for sure.

Robinson is one of my all-time favorites IRL AND better than Zo IRL AND WIS, but it would be difficult for me to take him ahead of a Chris Paul or Kevin Durant if I could get Mourning at that spot.

Posted by ashamael on 12/27/2016 10:34:00 PM (view original):
Admiral, but it's much, much closer than most people want to say.

90-91 season (ie the Kitchen Sink)

	Usage%	FG%+	eFG%	OReb%	DReb%	Ast%	Stl%	Blk%
Advanced	26.6	116	55.2	12.0	23.2	7.7	1.7	5.6

$10,097,702

91-92 (bargain)

	Usage%	FG%+	eFG%	OReb%	DReb%	Ast%	Stl%	Blk%
Advanced	24.7	117	55.2	10.8	22.5	8.4	2.7	6.6

$7,977,237

Zo's 97-98

	Usage%	FG%+	eFG%	OReb%	DReb%	Ast%	Stl%	Blk%
Advanced	28.1	123	55.1	8.9	20.4	6.0	0.7	6.4

$8,037,283

What you're not seeing is Zo's 16 tov% & 5.4 pf48. Admiral is 13.7/4.1 & 12.1/4.1. Admiral is also much better at getting to the line. I think those (along with the slight rebounding advantage) give the edge to the Admiral, but Zo is still excellent for sure.

Ewing would look favorable here as well, a tick below perhaps but keeping fairly close pace, with an even lower ADP.

True... but I don't think he's been drafted.

When are we going on a clock its like watching paint dry

gimme a minute

would love to see some eval action

Liking Eleib and ash first 4 among first looks