First, I think I understand the "You must have ATH/SPD" mantra. I've looked at enough D1 teams to know that many run the FCP and, having been beaten badly by FCP teams with less talent but better ATH/SPD, understand you seem to need it.

However, I'm reluctant to believe there is no way to win if you're overmatched in those categories. It seems to me that good ballhandling, passing and shooting(paint, perimeter or both) would allow you to get the ball down the court and see some open shots. That said, I don't think you can plod down the court with guys who can't tie their shoes and chew gum at the same time but, if you're not the slowest, unathletic team in history, it seems like you should be able to manage.

But that's real-life not 311 seasons in HD. Am I just completely wrong?

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/11/2017 8:49:00 AM (view original):
First, I think I understand the "You must have ATH/SPD" mantra. I've looked at enough D1 teams to know that many run the FCP and, having been beaten badly by FCP teams with less talent but better ATH/SPD, understand you seem to need it.

However, I'm reluctant to believe there is no way to win if you're overmatched in those categories. It seems to me that good ballhandling, passing and shooting(paint, perimeter or both) would allow you to get the ball down the court and see some open shots. That said, I don't think you can plod down the court with guys who can't tie their shoes and chew gum at the same time but, if you're not the slowest, unathletic team in history, it seems like you should be able to manage.

But that's real-life not 311 seasons in HD. Am I just completely wrong?

You're making an assumption that you were beaten by a team with less talent. Why do you think that?

Your BH, Pass and Per shooting is not good. So you're not equipped to beat ANY team. No matter the defense.

I'm not trolling you btw. Just telling you reality.

Like everything else in this game the outcome is dictated by a combination of factors.

NOT turning the ball over requires SPD/BH/PASS in that order. IQ is also very important, ATH is less important in that equation than PASS IMO.

I would rather have a 90 PASS 90 BH 50 SPEED guy than a 90 SPD 50 BH 50 PASS against the press.

I'm well aware of my team's skill level. But, if you want to look at who I lost to, you'd recognize that we're a better team overall.

So, yeah, you're trolling. Of course, as a long-time owner, no one will tell you that. But I will. Now someone will call me a troll for daring to speak that way to you then proudly announce they are blocking me.

Posted by Trentonjoe on 1/11/2017 10:07:00 AM (view original):
Like everything else in this game the outcome is dictated by a combination of factors.

NOT turning the ball over requires SPD/BH/PASS in that order. IQ is also very important, ATH is less important in that equation than PASS IMO.

I would rather have a 90 PASS 90 BH 50 SPEED guy than a 90 SPD 50 BH 50 PASS against the press.

They had a big SPD advantage. So, with that, my belief that BH/PASS/Shooting just won't be enough to beat a team with a huge speed advantage?

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/11/2017 10:08:00 AM (view original):
I'm well aware of my team's skill level. But, if you want to look at who I lost to, you'd recognize that we're a better team overall.

So, yeah, you're trolling. Of course, as a long-time owner, no one will tell you that. But I will. Now someone will call me a troll for daring to speak that way to you then proudly announce they are blocking me.

I did look at your team and their team. Tell me why you have more talent because I'm not seeing it.

It's hard to overcome a significant speed advantage against the press but if your 1-2-3 SPD average is within 10 of your opponents you would need a BH/PASS average to be 10 or more greater than their ATH/DEF average.

Kinda, I am just estimating those #'s.

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/11/2017 10:10:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 1/11/2017 10:07:00 AM (view original):
Like everything else in this game the outcome is dictated by a combination of factors.

NOT turning the ball over requires SPD/BH/PASS in that order. IQ is also very important, ATH is less important in that equation than PASS IMO.

I would rather have a 90 PASS 90 BH 50 SPEED guy than a 90 SPD 50 BH 50 PASS against the press.

They had a big SPD advantage. So, with that, my belief that BH/PASS/Shooting just won't be enough to beat a team with a huge speed advantage?

Alot of it is strategy. At D3, the super fast teams usually don't have high ATH/DEF so you can get them in foul trouble. If that works, go uptempo and have the fatigue cycle affect them.

Truth be told, the game is less gimicky than people believe. A well balanced, well constructed team beats the one trick pony more often than not.

Posted by Benis on 1/11/2017 10:11:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/11/2017 10:08:00 AM (view original):
I'm well aware of my team's skill level. But, if you want to look at who I lost to, you'd recognize that we're a better team overall.

So, yeah, you're trolling. Of course, as a long-time owner, no one will tell you that. But I will. Now someone will call me a troll for daring to speak that way to you then proudly announce they are blocking me.

I did look at your team and their team. Tell me why you have more talent because I'm not seeing it.

Mike - your starting PG has a BH/Pass of 56/47. Your starting SG has a BH/Pass of 33/44. Additionally, the PG is a Freshman with a C IQ.

These are Low numbers for a backcourt. So, of course they're not going to do well against Press. You're frustrated and saying that you refuse to believe you can't beat ath/spd even with 'better talent' when you don't have it. If you DID have a good BH/Pass backcourt then OK, you may have a valid point. But you don't so I don't see how you can come to this conclusion.

I'm sorry you don't like these answers. But it is what it is.

Posted by Trentonjoe on 1/11/2017 10:14:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/11/2017 10:10:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 1/11/2017 10:07:00 AM (view original):
Like everything else in this game the outcome is dictated by a combination of factors.

NOT turning the ball over requires SPD/BH/PASS in that order. IQ is also very important, ATH is less important in that equation than PASS IMO.

I would rather have a 90 PASS 90 BH 50 SPEED guy than a 90 SPD 50 BH 50 PASS against the press.

They had a big SPD advantage. So, with that, my belief that BH/PASS/Shooting just won't be enough to beat a team with a huge speed advantage?

Alot of it is strategy. At D3, the super fast teams usually don't have high ATH/DEF so you can get them in foul trouble. If that works, go uptempo and have the fatigue cycle affect them.

Truth be told, the game is less gimicky than people believe. A well balanced, well constructed team beats the one trick pony more often than not.

100% agree.

Posted by Benis on 1/11/2017 10:11:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/11/2017 10:08:00 AM (view original):
I'm well aware of my team's skill level. But, if you want to look at who I lost to, you'd recognize that we're a better team overall.

So, yeah, you're trolling. Of course, as a long-time owner, no one will tell you that. But I will. Now someone will call me a troll for daring to speak that way to you then proudly announce they are blocking me.

I did look at your team and their team. Tell me why you have more talent because I'm not seeing it.

While this is far exact science, I'm sure you know that 399 minutes were played by 18(9 each) players. Average ratings of those 9. We have the advantage is 6 of 9 "in-game" categories. Some are essentially a wash but the one that jumps out is overall speed.

Yr. Pos. A SPD REB DE BLK LP PE BH P WE ST DU FT TOT
So. PG 31 71 11 29 12 11 60 57 53 36 76 28 C 475
Jr. SG 30 63 21 32 25 42 72 59 27 40 81 87 B- 579
Jr. SG 31 69 19 27 12 21 75 59 37 48 84 58 C+ 540
Fr. SG 45 56 14 34 8 23 50 38 23 4 78 27 B- 400
Jr. SF 48 32 48 57 22 51 45 46 41 35 71 15 C- 511
Fr. PF 48 31 55 40 48 57 26 32 43 60 73 61 C- 574
Fr. PF 21 27 61 17 41 76 18 14 41 28 56 44 C- 444
Jr. C 43 28 90 33 64 62 27 11 31 40 61 69 B- 559
Jr. C 37 32 67 31 65 73 2 36 19 59 76 67 D+ 564
37.11 45.44 42.89 33.33 33.00 46.22 41.67 39.11 35.00 38.89 72.89 50.67 516.22


Yr. Pos. A SPD REB DE BLK LP PE BH P WE ST DU FT TOT
Fr. PG 44 52 9 32 9 9 34 46 35 23 79 94 B 466
Fr. PG 36 47 11 41 1 27 39 59 44 59 64 38 C+ 466
So. SG 53 47 21 41 24 38 60 54 21 57 75 44 C+ 535
Fr. SG 50 45 15 37 14 36 37 56 47 62 68 67 C- 534
Sr. SF 58 38 46 69 18 71 64 39 63 58 62 38 C+ 624
So. SF 36 54 48 32 43 30 60 33 44 59 77 48 D+ 564
Jr. PF 42 39 49 33 40 76 40 38 35 54 72 53 C- 571
So. C 24 14 81 13 79 59 18 20 37 36 69 52 C- 502
So. C 37 10 86 31 79 74 15 17 29 49 71 43 C+ 541
42.22 38.44 40.67 36.56 34.11 46.67 40.78 40.22 39.44 50.78 70.78 53.00 533.67


Your turn, tell me why they were better.

Bah, ****, that didn't format well.

ATH 5.11
SPD -7.00
REB -2.22
DEF 3.22
BLK 1.11
LP 0.44
PE -0.89
BH 1.11
P 4.44
OVR 17.44


Speed, rebounding and perimeter went to them.

And it's not IQ. We're far better in that regard.

You can't just use avg ratings. They aren't weighted equally by position.