Posted by Jtpsops on 1/18/2017 10:35:00 AM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 1/18/2017 9:56:00 AM (view original):
Another person completely missing the point.
Maybe you and PSBL can get together and start a support group.
Ok TecT23. Say something, then when you're called on it, pretend you meant something different.
You clearly said we should account for the reputation of relievers, and how feared guys like Gossage and Fingers were. You cited Cy Young voting, even though you know RPs didn't suddenly become worse or less deserving of the Cy - some voters simply "evolved" and decided RPs no longer merited serious consideration. That's hardly Hoffman's fault. He had better numbers than those two AND pitched in a way more offensive era.
You throwing up Cy votes as evidence is purely a smokescreen when you know full well it's the voters who have changed, not the quality of RPs.
PSJT.
I meant exactly what I said. Not sure why you think I'm trying to back off on anything.
You seem to be failing to understand that RP are being used quite differently in the current era that they were 30-40 years ago. It's incredibly dumb to compare things like WHIP and ERA for today's one inning closer against WHIP and ERA for the 2-3 inning firemen of the 70's and 80's.
Unless you want to assert that Hoffman's numbers, in a "less offensive era" such as the late 70's, would be exactly the same if he were pitching 2 to 3 innings a game. Or that a Gossage in his prime would not have thrived as a one inning closer in 2016.
Please go ahead and humor me. Insist that would be the case.