Coaches would be better off if all the time they spent trying to skirt the rules and cheat was used to actually learn the game. Coaches can win without a stigma.

+1

nitros

Here is the dumb part of WIS and their "investigation." I have run message boards and it is true that oftentimes you can't view the messages. However, you sure as hell can look for duplicate IPs. You can also trace IPs to geographic locations. If WIS performed even the most rudimentary investigation into complaints, they would have quickly discovered an issue with the IP originating at the same address. It would be interesting for them to do this and see how many duplicate IDs are in the same "world" at the same level (D-1, D-1AA, etc...).

I was being targeted by guggendr for a few seasons and they blew-off my complaints as well. Now I am wondering if Guggendr was doing the same thing as Tigerpark and colluding with another owner. The kicker... guggendr is a WIS staff member. See: https://www.whatifsports.com/gd/CoachProfile/Default.aspx?uid=745984&wid=11 . It states "Game Rating: Site Staff " in the top of his profile. Not sure if guggendr is guilty of this level of cheating, but WIS and their negligence has reopened my questions.

Here is my ticket history with the Guggendr drama.

10/18/2016 3:20 PM	ermackey
One of your employees players under the name guggendr. Every year he waits until I recruit my players and then he begins recruiting them. At this point I believe he is intentionally engaging in unsportsmanlike conduct and is intentionally grieving my team. I furthermore believe he is using his position as a staff member to gain an unfair advantage. He always seems to have "just enough" to squeak by and get the players. It is my direct belief that he is somehow looking at my recruiting and knows my budgetary situation and targets. Please research this and make this stop. If he is not directly cheating, he is definately targeting my team and recruits. This needs to stop.
10/18/2016 3:42 PM	Customer Support
Hi Emil, We can assure you that all of our Site Staff members abide by the same Fair Play Guidelines and Terms of Use policies that all users agree to when they sign up. Could you provide some specific examples that would make you think guggendr is recruiting unfairly? As far as intentionally targeting your recruits, you both have top DI schools in the state of Ohio, so a lot of the top recruits in and around Ohio will be within similar distances from Ohio State and Cincinnati. It would make sense that you typically battle for a few recruits every year. Thank you.
10/18/2016 4:08 PM	ermackey
Thanks for the reply. The first and most important is the pattern. This is not the first year. For the last three seasons, he has waited until the 2nd or third day to start recruiting players I have already turned "green." I believe he does that to minimize his risk in the player marketplace. Once he sees who is recruiting what players, he seems to focus on my players rather than compete multiple teams. You can see this now in his recruiting. All of his recruits are considering either me or Louisville. This is the same thing every year. Second, guggendr and I have a history. I have called him out for this behavior and I believe he is using his position to retaliate. Just look at his recruiting this year. If you can look-up prior years. If you can do that and do not see a pattern, I'll drop it. But others in the leage have noticed it and called him out before. If it will help, I can start a chat about it with other players. MANY have commented about his recruiting tactics. What concerns me is the laser precision. I really do think he is looking at my budget. NOBODY is this good every year.
10/18/2016 4:12 PM	ermackey
You can also look at the Big East chat archived over the last few seasons. His recruiting behavior is well-documented there.
10/19/2016 11:12 AM	Customer Support
Hi Emil, We will start off by saying that we can only review recruiting issues during the recruiting season, as no data is archived. We also do not archive league chats from previous seasons. It is discouraged, and puts your school at risk of not signing top quality players, but it isn't a violation to recruit later in the recruiting process. We can't realistically expect every coach to recruit every 3 hours every day during the recruiting period. That being said, it does not look like guggendr has arrived late on any of the recruits he has sought after this recruiting period. He has been recruiting as early and as often as anyone else on the recruits considering his school. Again, with the geographical location of each school, it would make sense that Cincinnati would battle both Ohio State and Louisville every year for the top recruits in the region. For this season, you have 8 open scholarships and Cincinnati has 14. That would give Cincy more money to spend on higher level recruits if a coach were to spend wisely on the rest of the open scholarships. That could possibly make it more difficult for you to recruit against a school that has more money to spend. We do not see any evidence of any sort of collusion, or terms of use violations, in this recruiting period. Please feel free to update us in future seasons if you continue to see suspicious activity. We would ask that you keep in mind that you are going to have a lot of battles over top recruits with schools that are near you. Thank you!
11/21/2016 1:25 AM	ermackey
Just so you are aware, guggendr is at it again. No activity until this last recruiting period when, SURPRISE, he is targeting all of my players again. His strategy is obvious - wait until I am invested and then go after my players. If he wasn't one of your employees, I would appreciate it more. But the fact he works for you should be an embarrassment. I am not sure what you want to call it (harassment, targeting, etc...), but it is neither good sportsmanship nor a reflection of ethical business for your company.
11/21/2016 2:43 PM	Customer Support
Emil, We do not see any evidence of targeting or collusion here. You have 5 common targets that each of you are recruiting, all within 250 miles of each of your campuses. Out of your 15 open scholarships and his 12 open scholarships, this does not seem like an issue given your close proximity. Thank you.
11/21/2016 2:49 PM	ermackey
There are more than 5. He already flipped at least three of them so they are red on his end.
11/21/2016 2:59 PM	Customer Support
Recruits that you have both put a considerable amount of money into and we would consider a recruiting battle: DB Antonio Smith OL David Smith OL James Elliott There are two others that are on both of your lists, but we would not consider you to be in a battle for: LB Edgar Swift RB William McCullough There are no other players that are on either of your recruiting lists at any priority. Thank you.

I REST MY CASE:

Definition of collusion

1. : secret agreement or cooperation especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose

Posted by harriswb3 on 2/15/2017 5:37:00 PM (view original):

I REST MY CASE:

Definition of collusion

1. : secret agreement or cooperation especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose

Its not A secret agreement when WIS knows.

Its a secret from the people that matter.....the other coaches in the world. That is the issue, that for some reason you fail to see and think is wrong.

You know... Wilkinson D-IA is really filling up these days, particularly in the Northeast United States. That really puts quite a bit of downward pressure on the recruits available in D-IAA.

I wonder if you'll fill your class at Penn next season, what with all that downward pressure.

Posted by gt_deuce on 2/15/2017 7:31:00 PM (view original):
You know... Wilkinson D-IA is really filling up these days, particularly in the Northeast United States. That really puts quite a bit of downward pressure on the recruits available in D-IAA.

I wonder if you'll fill your class at Penn next season, what with all that downward pressure.

I doubt it, considering I couldn't fill it this season. Plus, with all the ridicule I have taken, I had already decided to bail on Wilkinson. You know it just dawned on me that no one(including myself) mentioned the fact that I lost 6 battles, settled for lower caliber recruits and ended up with 3 simai recruits. How could this be if Akite30 are supposedly cheating together? According to the minions I am supposed to exhaust his account to save mine right? I wonder why this never happened? Perhaps because I never was cheating? Someone that gives a $hit can look at the two willkinson teams and line up the proof because I could care less. I doubt anyone will though because people only care about fanning the flames not truly discovering the truth.

here is rafael in the middle of tigerparking.

https://youtu.be/sz-NhGanOAE

Posted by bhazlewood on 2/14/2017 8:50:00 PM (view original):
I'm going to share this without comment.

From:

tigerpark135

To:

bhazlewood

Received:

2/14/2017 7:59:00 PM

Subject:

list sharing- dividing up

Message:

I have never done this. What I have been doing is acceptable with in the fairplay guidlines.

People hypothesis what I must have been doing as a result of their own practices.

I would say this on the forum if I could. I am banned for 3 more days because of going off on ESF.

Once again, my practice NEVER EVER involves discussing any recruit what so ever.

WIS has told me in the past that I am well with in my right to use the recruiting practice. People are just ****** they didn't think of it first or once again they are conjuring up the wrong idea.

It would have been easy for me to explain the system to the lynch mob to clear my name but I thought about it and knew that it wasn't breaking any rules and decided that I didn't want to give away trade secrets.

Also, this will be the last season I Pay for my sons account. WIS said he could stay 1000 miles away from Michigan but I respect BK and wanted to do the right thing and eliminate any doubt. I am not the cheater that people think.

Feel free to relay to the forum. or not.

Wait, how did he go from banned for 3 days to literally posting a few hours after this message was time stamped.. This dude is a chronic liar..

I've been away for a few days so I haven't really been following the latest. But reading bkdries chronicle of events I am absolutely convinced that this dude is a cheater. Don't let all of this noise distract you from the actual events that were well documented.

Posted by tigerpark135 on 2/15/2017 8:06:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gt_deuce on 2/15/2017 7:31:00 PM (view original):
You know... Wilkinson D-IA is really filling up these days, particularly in the Northeast United States. That really puts quite a bit of downward pressure on the recruits available in D-IAA.

I wonder if you'll fill your class at Penn next season, what with all that downward pressure.

I doubt it, considering I couldn't fill it this season. Plus, with all the ridicule I have taken, I had already decided to bail on Wilkinson. You know it just dawned on me that no one(including myself) mentioned the fact that I lost 6 battles, settled for lower caliber recruits and ended up with 3 simai recruits. How could this be if Akite30 are supposedly cheating together? According to the minions I am supposed to exhaust his account to save mine right? I wonder why this never happened? Perhaps because I never was cheating? Someone that gives a $hit can look at the two willkinson teams and line up the proof because I could care less. I doubt anyone will though because people only care about fanning the flames not truly discovering the truth.

That you don't cheat all the time doesn't necessitate that you don't cheat any of the time.

reading bkdries chronicle of events I am absolutely convinced that this dude is a cheater. Don't let all of this noise distract you from the actual events that were well documented.

+1

nitros