Posted by zorzii on 2/26/2017 9:42:00 AM (view original):
Mike : I need you to post something two more times. Nothing pinkish, or nothing that finishes with Fact!

And I need you to address this:

Or not. Because, as I stated and you ignored, it will decrease the D3 pool thus causing n00bs with zero seasons to battle vets with 100s of D3 seasons for players. How on earth can that be a good thing?

One more.

Posted by MikeT23 on 2/26/2017 9:46:00 AM (view original):

Posted by zorzii on 2/26/2017 9:42:00 AM (view original):
Mike : I need you to post something two more times. Nothing pinkish, or nothing that finishes with Fact!

And I need you to address this:

Or not. Because, as I stated and you ignored, it will decrease the D3 pool thus causing n00bs with zero seasons to battle vets with 100s of D3 seasons for players. How on earth can that be a good thing?

There are 2500 D2 + D3 players for about 100 D3 coaches.

Posted by Benis on 2/26/2017 10:06:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 2/26/2017 9:46:00 AM (view original):

Posted by zorzii on 2/26/2017 9:42:00 AM (view original):
Mike : I need you to post something two more times. Nothing pinkish, or nothing that finishes with Fact!

And I need you to address this:

Or not. Because, as I stated and you ignored, it will decrease the D3 pool thus causing n00bs with zero seasons to battle vets with 100s of D3 seasons for players. How on earth can that be a good thing?

There are 2500 D2 + D3 players for about 100 D3 coaches.

So it's your contention that restricting it to D2/D3 DOESN'T make the D3 recruit pool smaller? Adult Education Math class.

Posted by MikeT23 on 2/26/2017 10:10:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 2/26/2017 10:06:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 2/26/2017 9:46:00 AM (view original):

Posted by zorzii on 2/26/2017 9:42:00 AM (view original):
Mike : I need you to post something two more times. Nothing pinkish, or nothing that finishes with Fact!

And I need you to address this:

Or not. Because, as I stated and you ignored, it will decrease the D3 pool thus causing n00bs with zero seasons to battle vets with 100s of D3 seasons for players. How on earth can that be a good thing?

There are 2500 D2 + D3 players for about 100 D3 coaches.

So it's your contention that restricting it to D2/D3 DOESN'T make the D3 recruit pool smaller? Adult Education Math class.

Hahaha wow.

Did I say that? No. I was merely implying that the size of the pool for D2/D3 teams is quite big.

But you do agree that making it smaller increases the chances of you and some zero season n00b finding and desiring the same recruit, right? Don't you think that would favor you greatly?

At Lipscomb the other day, I played against a familiar face. Brian French, whom I had recruited while at D3 Wisconsin Stout, transferred after I left (was cut? Or maybe succeeding coach didn't honor promises? I don't know circumstances.) He ended up at D1 Loyola Chicago.

He fell through the cracks to me, as a rare D1 projected player in South Dakota, and with a fairly empty part of that world, no one challenged for him. I'm not a noob, and he's no star - he's a serviceable D3 big, but would be a D1 or D2 scrub for humans. That kind of player is widely available to any new player, and it takes little imagination and initiative to figure out how. Capping the levels means he's stuck on Sim teams, no use to anyone. Meanwhile, the big fish in D3 benefit, relatively speaking, from a smaller pool, because their advantage in battles for the *useful* D2-3 players, a number nowhere near even 500, much less 2500, is exaggerated with a smaller pool. That's how maths and disbursement works. Lower supply, more demand, advantage resources and status.

Benis, let's be honest. Of those 2500 players, how many are quality recruits? Then, how many will D2 snatch up? Oh, and what about lower D1 teams that dip down to D2 level and snag a few to fill the back end of their roster? Which brings up another point, under the old system, I ran into several occasions where a D2 coach was recruiting a D3 player who realistically had no business being on their radar. Add geographical bias, and quickly the recruit pool begins looking pretty small...

Exactly guys. They should fix recruit generation.

It's not broken. If you're advocating more good players, that's pointless. If the average is 500 and it's increased to 550, that's just the new norm.

Posted by Benis on 2/26/2017 10:22:00 AM (view original):
Exactly guys. They should fix recruit generation.

Explain what that means to you, because I'm not convinced anything is wrong with the number of and talent distribution among recruits generated. What is whacked, in my opinion, is the specialized way most people have chosen to try to get them.

That's a bit of a shell game move there, Benis. First, you say there are 2500 recruits for 100 D3 coaches, so it's fine. Then, when a few of us bring up valid points, you switch the argument to the need for better recruit generation... You're better than that...

Quota alert: Mike has exceeded the number of posts for today.

Posted by supersloth33 on 2/26/2017 10:28:00 AM (view original):
That's a bit of a shell game move there, Benis. First, you say there are 2500 recruits for 100 D3 coaches, so it's fine. Then, when a few of us bring up valid points, you switch the argument to the need for better recruit generation... You're better than that...

I said on the previous page they should fix recruit generation. That's what I was getting at.

Perhaps a shell game on my part, but I'm glad people recognize that it's an issue.

Mike, Shoe,

By recruit generation, I'm not saying just make D3 players better as a general statement. I'm saying, make the number of completely worthless trash players fewer. You got guys who are 10 ath and 10 def at D1 (and LOTS of these at D3). Even if it's a sim that ends up with players like that, it's not good. It's not good for a new coach taking over and who is stuck with them.

Make more usable players. That's what I'm saying. If you do that, you can have the same size pool that coaches can go for but won't be all dog turds. You maybe won't build a national championship team with them but you can get to the post season in D3.