Obviously dirkl is just the kind of player that WIS loves.. He pays his money, lets someone else run his team (i.e. recruit for him), gets trounced on a regular basis, comes back and pays money to do it again...

I think he needs to change his nam de plum to just irkle.

Posted by 2000champou on 3/21/2017 3:31:00 PM (view original):
robust_trex just removed the post stating that he and rgillesie70 are friends in the real world ouside of GD. wow

We are friends in real life. He is the only person I know that plays Whatifsports. I removed the post after realizing my reference to the Fart Smeller suggestions from pages ago was stupid. I then confirmed we are friends in the post before your WOW comment.

Yet again, too many coincidences stacked on one another for this to just be some terrible recruiting by a fill-in for TCU's coach. And yet again, WIS fails to recognize the fact that you can only have so many coincidences stacked together before it's no longer a coincidence.

If they are trying to run off some of their best and longest-tenured coaches with their bungling of these "investigations," then they are doing a better job at that than they do even administering their own game.

I don't know who's-who in this scenario and I probably never will. I don't feel comfortable pointing fingers at anyone - perhaps because I don't have the information that 2000champou has; or perhaps simply because whatever information does exist doesn't achieve the minimum standards for actual proof.

What I AM certain of, is that someone clearly targeted his recruiting class with specific designs on ruining it. It is simply NOT the case that:

1. A D-IA non-BCS team should be pursing more than two, maybe three, prospects that even the D-II National Champ can see. Even if they were late to the party and/or had a fill-in who was literally the worst recruiter you can imagine doing it for them.
AND
2. A D-IA non-BCS team that was pursuing more than the above two/three D-II recruits would pursue them all *from the same D-II team*. Yes, the D-II NC will see the best D-II recruits (the ones with the best chance of having even slight appeal to a D-IA school), but that team is NOT the only one with max vision. It is 100% not the case that only the NC has max vision.
AND
3. A D-IA non-BCS team would pursue ALL of his D-II recruits from well over 1,000 miles away from his campus, ALL in the same small geographic region of the US. Nope. Sorry.
AND
4. A D-IA non-BCS team would not pursue some D-IAA Undecideds, at least in addition to but more likely instead of, prior to dipping to D-II.
AND
5. That D-IA non-BCS team would then hold out his last remaining scholarship and not sign it, even when some of those D-II recruits were Green to him, through the final cycle of recruiting and force himself to take a SimAI recruit unnecessarily.

For the math-literate among us, let's say for the sake of pure simplicity that all of the above had a 50/50 chance of happening (or not happening). Bear with me, please, because I know those chances are skewed horribly from reality. Also assume all five events are statistically independent of one-another, which I believe is a close enough approximation. In that case, there is a 1-in-32 (two to the fifth power) chance that all five would simultaneously occur. That's just over 3%.

That's already suspicious enough to warrant investigation, but not cosmically impossible. But the reality is that there aren't 50/50 chances of each happening. I'd say if we were to theoretically look at the data since the beginning of WIS, there's a less than 5% chance of any of those five things happening, independent of one another. Even that feels really high to me, but I'll error on the side of coincidence. So... what's twenty to the fifth power?

3.2 million

1 in 3.2 million that it's coincidence and that the fill-in was horrible and made all these "coincidental" mistakes.

Nah.

Posted by 2000champou on 3/21/2017 3:24:00 PM (view original):
So you know rgillespie70 outside the game in the real world and are friends that discuss GD. Hmmmm I think I'm being trolled like crazy here. Im done in the public forums let wis sort it out.

Let WIS sort it out??? They already have. You got all of your recruits, you kept your recruiting money and they say there was no collusion.

Posted by rgillespie70 on 3/21/2017 4:05:00 PM (view original):

Posted by 2000champou on 3/21/2017 3:24:00 PM (view original):
So you know rgillespie70 outside the game in the real world and are friends that discuss GD. Hmmmm I think I'm being trolled like crazy here. Im done in the public forums let wis sort it out.

Let WIS sort it out??? They already have. You got all of your recruits, you kept your recruiting money and they say there was no collusion.

So because the bank robber got away with no money and no one was physically harmed during his attempted robbery, we just let him skate?

Just because the culprit's plan didn't pan out the way he envisioned - with the D-II recruits simply floating off into the ether and Long Island's recruiting class in ruins - it doesn't mean that there's nothing to be done. It's why there's an entire class of crimes with the prefix "Attempted" in our justice system. The intent to commit a crime - or in the case of GD, a clear violation of the Fair Play Guidelines - is sufficient for corrective action to be taken.

TCU signed 0 recruits from the "hijacking" and took 2 SIMS out of stupidity.

Posted by gt_deuce on 3/21/2017 4:13:00 PM (view original):

Posted by rgillespie70 on 3/21/2017 4:05:00 PM (view original):

Posted by 2000champou on 3/21/2017 3:24:00 PM (view original):
So you know rgillespie70 outside the game in the real world and are friends that discuss GD. Hmmmm I think I'm being trolled like crazy here. Im done in the public forums let wis sort it out.

Let WIS sort it out??? They already have. You got all of your recruits, you kept your recruiting money and they say there was no collusion.

So because the bank robber got away with no money and no one was physically harmed during his attempted robbery, we just let him skate?

Just because the culprit's plan didn't pan out the way he envisioned - with the D-II recruits simply floating off into the ether and Long Island's recruiting class in ruins - it doesn't mean that there's nothing to be done. It's why there's an entire class of crimes with the prefix "Attempted" in our justice system. The intent to commit a crime - or in the case of GD, a clear violation of the Fair Play Guidelines - is sufficient for corrective action to be taken.

Attempted Unfair Play??? Well for that to happen, dirkl would actually have to disclose who he had recruit for him (and once again for the record it wasn't me).

Posted by rgillespie70 on 3/21/2017 4:16:00 PM (view original):
TCU signed 0 recruits from the "hijacking" and took 2 SIMS out of stupidity.

... because the aim of <whoever was in control of TCU at the time> was not to sign a good class; it was to ruin Long Island's.

Posted by 2000champou on 3/21/2017 11:46:00 AM (view original):
That db was the #1 db according to guess and i stopped battling you because TCU turned half of my class red and yellow and I was in the process of figuring out what to do with WIS customer support. You signed that guy because of it. You were the only coach battling me for a guy on the first line of my board. And the only coach to gain anything from any of this. I sign classes like the one I was about to sign all the time and have for 6 years. This TCU deal failed to disrupt my class because the person responsible thought that by having my guys yellow or red at signing and not signing his last TCU recruit that the ones we were involved with would go back into cyber space and not be signed by anyone. They didn't. They reverted back to LI since I had offered scholorships and tcu did not. WIS told me this as I was beginning to panic and began to spend the last of my money sending out ac scouts at available undecided players in my 360. During this period you signed the stud #1 DB. Again, It is all documented in my sitemails and tickets sent back and forth during this whole thing. I don't know who ddirkl is either but he sitemailed me apologizing for the trouble offered to buy me a season to make up for it. Later he sitemailed me again and named you as the coach he let recruit for his team. I don't know what else to say but that.

There were never any undecided players that suddenly turned to LI after the original signings. You claim you were spending the "last of your money sending out AC scouts at available undecided players in your 360". Teams fell off the list as they signed their last recruits, but LI didn't pop up on the board? HMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!

Posted by rgillespie70 on 3/21/2017 4:20:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gt_deuce on 3/21/2017 4:13:00 PM (view original):

Posted by rgillespie70 on 3/21/2017 4:05:00 PM (view original):

Posted by 2000champou on 3/21/2017 3:24:00 PM (view original):
So you know rgillespie70 outside the game in the real world and are friends that discuss GD. Hmmmm I think I'm being trolled like crazy here. Im done in the public forums let wis sort it out.

Let WIS sort it out??? They already have. You got all of your recruits, you kept your recruiting money and they say there was no collusion.

So because the bank robber got away with no money and no one was physically harmed during his attempted robbery, we just let him skate?

Just because the culprit's plan didn't pan out the way he envisioned - with the D-II recruits simply floating off into the ether and Long Island's recruiting class in ruins - it doesn't mean that there's nothing to be done. It's why there's an entire class of crimes with the prefix "Attempted" in our justice system. The intent to commit a crime - or in the case of GD, a clear violation of the Fair Play Guidelines - is sufficient for corrective action to be taken.

Attempted Unfair Play??? Well for that to happen, dirkl would actually have to disclose who he had recruit for him (and once again for the record it wasn't me).

To be clear, I am not pointing my finger at you. I have never insinuated it was you. That's for others.

I note your sarcasm regarding the attempted unfair play. I doubt you'd be so cavalier about it, if it was your team in the cross-hairs.

And yes... I do happen to believe if someone is abusing the rules (and, by extension, other users of this game), they should be ferreted out and be punished. WIS should endeavor to uncover the culprit and take appropriate corrective action. That is not too much to ask.

Posted by vhoward415 on 3/21/2017 3:52:00 PM (view original):
Yet again, too many coincidences stacked on one another for this to just be some terrible recruiting by a fill-in for TCU's coach. And yet again, WIS fails to recognize the fact that you can only have so many coincidences stacked together before it's no longer a coincidence.

If they are trying to run off some of their best and longest-tenured coaches with their bungling of these "investigations," then they are doing a better job at that than they do even administering their own game.

I don't know who's-who in this scenario and I probably never will. I don't feel comfortable pointing fingers at anyone - perhaps because I don't have the information that 2000champou has; or perhaps simply because whatever information does exist doesn't achieve the minimum standards for actual proof.

What I AM certain of, is that someone clearly targeted his recruiting class with specific designs on ruining it. It is simply NOT the case that:

1. A D-IA non-BCS team should be pursing more than two, maybe three, prospects that even the D-II National Champ can see. Even if they were late to the party and/or had a fill-in who was literally the worst recruiter you can imagine doing it for them.
AND
2. A D-IA non-BCS team that was pursuing more than the above two/three D-II recruits would pursue them all *from the same D-II team*. Yes, the D-II NC will see the best D-II recruits (the ones with the best chance of having even slight appeal to a D-IA school), but that team is NOT the only one with max vision. It is 100% not the case that only the NC has max vision.
AND
3. A D-IA non-BCS team would pursue ALL of his D-II recruits from well over 1,000 miles away from his campus, ALL in the same small geographic region of the US. Nope. Sorry.
AND
4. A D-IA non-BCS team would not pursue some D-IAA Undecideds, at least in addition to but more likely instead of, prior to dipping to D-II.
AND
5. That D-IA non-BCS team would then hold out his last remaining scholarship and not sign it, even when some of those D-II recruits were Green to him, through the final cycle of recruiting and force himself to take a SimAI recruit unnecessarily.

For the math-literate among us, let's say for the sake of pure simplicity that all of the above had a 50/50 chance of happening (or not happening). Bear with me, please, because I know those chances are skewed horribly from reality. Also assume all five events are statistically independent of one-another, which I believe is a close enough approximation. In that case, there is a 1-in-32 (two to the fifth power) chance that all five would simultaneously occur. That's just over 3%.

That's already suspicious enough to warrant investigation, but not cosmically impossible. But the reality is that there aren't 50/50 chances of each happening. I'd say if we were to theoretically look at the data since the beginning of WIS, there's a less than 5% chance of any of those five things happening, independent of one another. Even that feels really high to me, but I'll error on the side of coincidence. So... what's twenty to the fifth power?

3.2 million

1 in 3.2 million that it's coincidence and that the fill-in was horrible and made all these "coincidental" mistakes.

Nah.

Are you going to write a blog about it? You didn't have a problem pointing a finger at me when, even after BK agreed that I didn't cheat him. But I had to admit that in his eyes it looked like cheating.

BTW, I think you are completely wrong. I think the dirkl account was used to shield the LI's players NOT steal them. LI knew he would get the recruits after all the dust settled. Not to mention, he has offered up entirely too much speculative info.

In the end nothing will proved or disproved and we can continue to debate it. Or at least for another two weeks.

Posted by gt_deuce on 3/21/2017 4:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by rgillespie70 on 3/21/2017 4:16:00 PM (view original):
TCU signed 0 recruits from the "hijacking" and took 2 SIMS out of stupidity.

... because the aim of <whoever was in control of TCU at the time> was not to sign a good class; it was to ruin Long Island's.

The he should have signed the freggin recruits...WHICH HE DIDN"T, because he was shielding them for LI.. How dumb are people?

Posted by tigerpark135 on 3/21/2017 4:32:00 PM (view original):

Posted by vhoward415 on 3/21/2017 3:52:00 PM (view original):
Yet again, too many coincidences stacked on one another for this to just be some terrible recruiting by a fill-in for TCU's coach. And yet again, WIS fails to recognize the fact that you can only have so many coincidences stacked together before it's no longer a coincidence.

If they are trying to run off some of their best and longest-tenured coaches with their bungling of these "investigations," then they are doing a better job at that than they do even administering their own game.

I don't know who's-who in this scenario and I probably never will. I don't feel comfortable pointing fingers at anyone - perhaps because I don't have the information that 2000champou has; or perhaps simply because whatever information does exist doesn't achieve the minimum standards for actual proof.

What I AM certain of, is that someone clearly targeted his recruiting class with specific designs on ruining it. It is simply NOT the case that:

1. A D-IA non-BCS team should be pursing more than two, maybe three, prospects that even the D-II National Champ can see. Even if they were late to the party and/or had a fill-in who was literally the worst recruiter you can imagine doing it for them.
AND
2. A D-IA non-BCS team that was pursuing more than the above two/three D-II recruits would pursue them all *from the same D-II team*. Yes, the D-II NC will see the best D-II recruits (the ones with the best chance of having even slight appeal to a D-IA school), but that team is NOT the only one with max vision. It is 100% not the case that only the NC has max vision.
AND
3. A D-IA non-BCS team would pursue ALL of his D-II recruits from well over 1,000 miles away from his campus, ALL in the same small geographic region of the US. Nope. Sorry.
AND
4. A D-IA non-BCS team would not pursue some D-IAA Undecideds, at least in addition to but more likely instead of, prior to dipping to D-II.
AND
5. That D-IA non-BCS team would then hold out his last remaining scholarship and not sign it, even when some of those D-II recruits were Green to him, through the final cycle of recruiting and force himself to take a SimAI recruit unnecessarily.

For the math-literate among us, let's say for the sake of pure simplicity that all of the above had a 50/50 chance of happening (or not happening). Bear with me, please, because I know those chances are skewed horribly from reality. Also assume all five events are statistically independent of one-another, which I believe is a close enough approximation. In that case, there is a 1-in-32 (two to the fifth power) chance that all five would simultaneously occur. That's just over 3%.

That's already suspicious enough to warrant investigation, but not cosmically impossible. But the reality is that there aren't 50/50 chances of each happening. I'd say if we were to theoretically look at the data since the beginning of WIS, there's a less than 5% chance of any of those five things happening, independent of one another. Even that feels really high to me, but I'll error on the side of coincidence. So... what's twenty to the fifth power?

3.2 million

1 in 3.2 million that it's coincidence and that the fill-in was horrible and made all these "coincidental" mistakes.

Nah.

Are you going to write a blog about it? You didn't have a problem pointing a finger at me when, even after BK agreed that I didn't cheat him. But I had to admit that in his eyes it looked like cheating.

BTW, I think you are completely wrong. I think the dirkl account was used to shield the LI's players NOT steal them. LI knew he would get the recruits after all the dust settled. Not to mention, he has offered up entirely too much speculative info.

In the end nothing will proved or disproved and we can continue to debate it. Or at least for another two weeks.

Awww... did I hurt your feelings? I've Amazon Prime'd a box of tissue to your house. It'll be there two days from now. That should be OK, though, because apparently you're having a hard time getting over it.

Any viewpoint that necessarily implies that 2000champou needed TCU to act as a shield entirely lacks context. He's been pulling down Top 5 and 10 classes for years without protection from D-IA "akites". Quite unlike you.

Posted by tigerpark135 on 3/21/2017 4:35:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gt_deuce on 3/21/2017 4:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by rgillespie70 on 3/21/2017 4:16:00 PM (view original):
TCU signed 0 recruits from the "hijacking" and took 2 SIMS out of stupidity.

... because the aim of <whoever was in control of TCU at the time> was not to sign a good class; it was to ruin Long Island's.

The he should have signed the freggin recruits...WHICH HE DIDN"T, because he was shielding them for LI.. How dumb are people?

False. TCU still signed D-IA caliber players to all but two of his available slots. He doesn't ruin his own team AND he ruins Long Island's.

This was win-win for someone. He signs a D-IA-capable class AND ruins Long Island's. Except the end of recruiting didn't work like he thought it worked and Long Island ended up with approximately the class he should've.

Not everyone takes their duplicity directly from your playbook of cheats.