Update, May 5: The league has folded for now. Too bad, because it would have generated the chance to use some different players and have teams that play more like the real ones...not the all star teams we usually get. I'm tired of using Schoolboy Rowe's short Phillies season; I want to use one of his great Tiger seasons, to be the ace of the staff that he really was. Same with Red Ruffing, Don Newcombe, Wes Ferrell, and so many others too. Not sure why it didn't generate more interest, but there are a lot of other themes out there right now so that might be part of it. Sigh...maybe I'll try it again during the hot stove season..


WE DON'T NEED NO STINKIN' DH! Pitchers carry some heavy lumber in this league. These guys can pitch…and hit! They bat in the cleanup spot.

Basics: 24 teams, $100 million cap. No: injuries, AAA, trades, waivers.

Draft: Each player will be drafting 4 starting pitchers from the list below, using a snake style draft.

Filling out the roster:
Starting Rotation: You must roster the pitchers you drafted in the precise teams and seasons shown.
Teammates: Each player can fill out the rest of the roster by choosing 5 teammates of the players selected in the draft- but they must be from the same team and season- no twisting teammates! No teammate may have more than 140 IP- they belong in your bullpen, not your rotation.
Wild card: The 25th man can be any player from the SIM with a salary of less than $4m.
Clones: The pitchers you draft are exclusive. No one can clone any of them. That means no Babe Ruth, Reb Russell, or Joe Wood in the outfield! And no Red Ruffing in your bullpen. No individual owner can clone teammates from different seasons, but if another owner happens to pick him, that's fine. In other words, there can be two versions of the same player in the league, just not on the same team.

League Rules:
Every game your starting pitcher must bat in the fourth spot. Failure to do this will result in a forfeit.
Your stadium must be the home ballpark of one the 4 pitchers selected in the draft.

Draft details: Draft order will be random. The draft will take place in the theme leagues forum. A 30 minute window will be granted for each pick, so if you can't make your assigned time, send your proxies to me or another trusted owner. If you are next in line, you can make your pick early only if all other players have chosen theirs. You must roster the player and season from the list below- no switching seasons! If your player had more than one team in that season, you may choose either team, but if you choose a partial season, they must have at least 150 IP for that team.

This is not the draft order- that will be generated later.This is just the signup list::
1. fatboydad54
2. redcped
3. tridentric
4. redwingscup
5. tdoak
6. dcmatcheck
7. Jfranco77
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I started doing some research on teammates in case anybody might find it helpful, but it is a work in progress.

Player	Team	T	IP	BA	OBP	SLG	ERC#	SALARY	Teammates
Wood, Joe	1912 Boston Red Sox	R	367	.290	.348	.435	2.1	$14,879,784	Speaker
Lyons, Ted	1939 Chicago White Sox	R	182	.295	.348	.344	2.21	$6,407,916	Appling
Young, Cy	1903 Boston Americans	R	402	.321	.340	.431	2.24	$14,251,363
Tannehill, Jesse	1902 Pittsburgh Pirates	L	270	.291	.348	.365	2.3	$10,356,547
Waddell, Rube	1902 Philadelphia Athletics	L	330	.286	.310	.402	2.31	$11,561,210	Lajoie, Lave Cross
Bumgarner, Madison	2015 San Francisco Giants	L	218	.247	.275	.468	2.46	$7,748,964	Posey, Panik, Bullpen
Pascual, Camilo	1959 Washington Senators	R	252	.302	.341	.326	2.46	$8,992,461
Walters, Bucky	1939 Cincinnati Reds	R	336	.325	.357	.433	2.47	$11,798,027
Potter, Nels	1945 St. Louis Browns	R	274	.304	.319	.326	2.48	$8,936,067
Ruth, Babe	1917 Boston Red Sox	L	348	.325	.385	.472	2.49	$12,913,311
Lucas, Red	1927 Cincinnati Reds	R	254	.313	.368	.373	2.51	$8,203,417
Grimes, Burleigh	1920 Brooklyn Robins	R	320	.306	.358	.432	2.56	$10,799,901	Wheat
Lemon, Bob	1948 Cleveland Indians	R	307	.286	.331	.487	2.58	$10,991,051	Boudreau, Keltner, Paige
Wilson, Earl	1966 Detroit Tigers	R	164	.234	.286	.531	2.58	$5,660,856
Donohue, Pete	1925 Cincinnati Reds	R	319	.294	.325	.367	2.59	$11,050,610	Cuckoo Christenson
Russell, Reb	1917 Chicago White Sox	L	200	.279	.300	.412	2.6	$6,208,347
Trout, Dizzy	1944 Detroit Tigers	R	371	.271	.317	.429	2.61	$12,120,709	Wakefield
Callahan, Nixey	1901 Chicago White Sox	R	257	.331	.383	.466	2.64	$8,702,083
Eller, Hod	1919 Cincinnati Reds	R	288	.280	.287	.409	2.67	$8,764,813	Roush, Groh
Gibson, Bob	1970 St. Louis Cardinals	R	294	.303	.347	.404	2.72	$10,248,352	Torre
Zambrano, Carlos	2005 Chicago Cubs	R	224	.300	.300	.463	2.73	$7,773,907
Jenkins, Fergie	1971 Chicago Cubs	R	325	.243	.282	.478	2.77	$10,398,937	Billy Williams, Beckert
Mays, Carl	1921 New York Yankees	R	357	.343	.365	.434	2.79	$11,336,893
Rowe, Schoolboy	1935 Detroit Tigers	R	296	.312	.380	.459	2.8	$9,808,584	Greenberg, Gehringer
Sturdivant, Tom	1956 New York Yankees	R	167	.313	.308	.359	2.82	$5,212,696	The Mick
Rooker, Jim	1974 Pittsburgh Pirates	L	263	.305	.337	.400	2.83	$8,410,936
Brandt, Ed	1933 Boston Braves	L	303	.309	.337	.351	2.84	$8,971,243
Warneke, Lon	1933 Chicago Cubs	R	303	.300	.320	.440	2.85	$9,501,590
Brewer, Tom	1956 Boston Red Sox	R	258	.298	.330	.351	2.86	$8,193,269	Teddy Ballgame
Greinke, Zack	2013 Los Angeles Dodgers	R	178	.328	.409	.379	2.87	$5,821,908
Hunter, Catfish	1971 Oakland Athletics	R	276	.350	.362	.408	2.89	$9,016,348	Fingers
Spahn, Warren	1958 Milwaukee Braves	L	306	.333	.381	.463	2.89	$9,976,778	Aaron
Zachary, Tom	1924 Washington Senators	L	214	.306	.351	.319	2.89	$6,073,637	Goslin
Johnson, Walter	1925 Washington Senators	R	246	.433	.455	.577	2.93	$9,686,953	Goslin
Drysdale, Don	1965 Los Angeles Dodgers	R	309	.300	.331	.508	2.94	$10,197,689
Hampton, Mike	1999 Houston Astros	L	239	.311	.373	.432	2.95	$8,001,421
Rhoden, Rick	1984 Pittsburgh Pirates	R	239	.333	.345	.405	2.96	$7,383,817
Ruffing, Red	1932 New York Yankees	R	273	.306	.338	.444	2.96	$8,790,585	Gehrig
Griffith, Clark	1901 Chicago White Sox	R	318	.303	.446	.427	2.99	$9,893,106
Crandall, Doc	1910 New York Giants	R	219	.342	.385	.521	3.02	$6,995,460	Snodgrass
Hutchinson, Fred	1946 Detroit Tigers	R	218	.315	.358	.360	3.04	$6,477,858	Cullenbine
Roberts, Robin	1955 Philadelphia Phillies	R	321	.252	.360	.467	3.07	$9,576,896	Ashburn
Hendrix, Claude	1912 Pittsburgh Pirates	R	310	.322	.339	.529	3.09	$10,111,546	Wagner, Carey
Karger, Ed	1910 Boston Red Sox	L	195	.294	.342	.412	3.11	$5,533,095	Speaker
Vangilder, Elam	1922 St. Louis Browns	R	258	.344	.396	.559	3.12	$8,250,376	Sisler, Ken Williams
Forsch, Bob	1975 St. Louis Cardinals	R	230	.308	.341	.462	3.13	$7,001,380	T. Simmons, R. Smith
Newcombe, Don	1955 Brooklyn Dodgers	R	248	.359	.395	.632	3.14	$8,999,893	Snider, Campanella
McDermott, Mickey	1953 Boston Red Sox	L	219	.301	.316	.419	3.15	$6,647,389	Goodman, Kell
Bush, Joe	1922 New York Yankees	R	269	.326	.347	.432	3.19	$7,651,883	Schang, Meusel, Pipp
Siebert, Sonny	1971 Boston Red Sox	R	236	.266	.289	.532	3.23	$7,148,742
Nichols, Kid	1901 Boston Beaneaters	R	377	.282	.316	.491	3.26	$11,033,066
Hershiser, Orel	1993 Los Angeles Dodgers	R	216	.356	.373	.411	3.28	$6,574,388	Piazza
Brett, Ken	1974 Pittsburgh Pirates	L	191	.310	.337	.448	3.29	$5,632,542	Oliver, Stargell
Phillips, Bill	1902 Cincinnati Reds	R	312	.342	.385	.404	3.29	$8,857,373	Crawford, Beckley
Luque, Dolf	1926 Cincinnati Reds	R	246	.346	.393	.410	3.31	$7,188,994	Cuckoo Christenson
Sain, Johnny	1947 Boston Braves	R	280	.346	.364	.411	3.33	$8,212,203	Bob Elliott, Holmes
Ostermueller, Fritz	1946 Pittsburgh Pirates	L	204	.328	.386	.375	3.34	$5,873,178
Yeager, Joe	1901 Detroit Tigers	R	240	.296	.343	.416	3.35	$6,418,117
Killian, Ed	1907 Detroit Tigers	L	340	.320	.346	.410	3.36	$9,631,052	Cobb, Crawford
Cooney, Johnny	1925 Boston Braves	L	261	.320	.346	.388	3.37	$6,848,460	Bancroft, Burris
Uhle, George	1923 Cleveland Indians	R	379	.361	.391	.472	3.38	$11,801,392	Speaker, Sewell
Marcum, Johnny	1935 Philadelphia Athletics	R	264	.311	.359	.395	3.4	$7,518,079	Foxx, Cramer
Orth, Al	1907 New York Highlanders	R	273	.324	.355	.410	3.4	$7,465,441
Cooper, Wilbur	1924 Pittsburgh Pirates	L	285	.346	.376	.433	3.43	$7,699,685	Carey, Traynor, Cuyler
Marberry, Firpo	1930 Washington Senators	R	195	.329	.364	.384	3.43	$5,085,385	Cronin, Goslin, Manush
Swift, Bill	1936 Pittsburgh Pirates	R	276	.295	.315	.448	3.44	$7,436,769	Waner, Vaughan
Alexander, Pete	1921 Chicago Cubs	R	267	.305	.320	.389	3.45	$6,605,559	Ray Grimes
Shawkey, Bob	1921 New York Yankees	R	260	.300	.315	.378	3.48	$6,747,814	Schang, Meusel, Ward
Wright, Ed	1946 Boston Braves	R	187	.305	.349	.390	3.52	$4,923,468	Hopp, Holmes
Wiltse, Snake	1901 Philadelphia Athletics	L	198	.373	.408	.537	3.55	$6,774,997	Lajoie, Seybold
Smith, Al	1940 Cleveland Indians	R	193	.306	.386	.371	3.56	$4,959,237	Trosky
Gallardo, Yovani	2010 Milwaukee Brewers	R	185	.254	.329	.508	3.57	$5,570,847	Braun
Garver, Ned	1951 St. Louis Browns	R	259	.305	.365	.421	3.58	$7,039,270
Brame, Erv	1929 Pittsburgh Pirates	R	244	.310	.322	.500	3.61	$6,562,155	Waners, Traynor
Law, Vern	1964 Pittsburgh Pirates	R	192	.311	.354	.410	3.63	$4,946,085	Clemente
O'Neill, Mike	1902 St. Louis Cardinals	R	349	.319	.333	.444	3.64	$9,373,176
Ferrell, Wes	1931 Cleveland Indians	R	291	.319	.373	.621	3.65	$9,760,909	Averill, Morgan, Vosmik
Parnell, Mel	1951 Boston Red Sox	L	233	.309	.364	.346	3.65	$5,999,612	Williams, Pesky
Robinson, Don	1980 Pittsburgh Pirates	R	161	.333	.333	.456	3.66	$4,384,251	Easler
Schott, Gene	1936 Cincinnati Reds	R	190	.300	.354	.433	3.71	$5,101,059	Cuyler, Lombardi
Shaute, Joe	1924 Cleveland Indians	L	300	.318	.360	.430	3.71	$7,834,058	Speaker, Sewell
Scott, Jack	1921 Boston Braves	R	248	.341	.376	.455	3.74	$6,602,195	Walton Cruise
Simmons, Curt	1961 St. Louis Cardinals	L	206	.303	.378	.348	3.75	$5,334,944	Ken Boyer
Wainwright, Adam	2007 St. Louis Cardinals	R	202	.290	.323	.387	3.75	$5,355,471	Pujols, Percival
Davis, Curt	1939 St. Louis Cardinals	R	263	.381	.398	.457	3.76	$7,319,908	Mize, Medwick
Scheib, Carl	1951 Philadelphia Athletics	R	151	.396	.418	.623	3.77	$5,271,897	Fain, Joost
Griffin, Tom	1974 Houston Astros	R	211	.294	.324	.456	3.78	$5,702,846
Haren, Danny	2010 Arizona Diamondbacks	R	235	.364	.375	.527	3.83	$7,083,778	Daniel Hudson
Meadows, Lee	1922 Philadelphia Phillies	R	251	.314	.330	.360	3.87	$6,078,734
Owings, Micah	2007 Arizona Diamondbacks	R	152	.333	.349	.683	3.89	$5,104,914
Walker, Dixie	1911 Washington Senators	R	196	.303	.343	.333	3.93	$4,608,217
Hollingsworth, Al	1936 Cincinnati Reds	L	194	.315	.359	.384	3.97	$5,133,236	Cuyler
Kolp, Ray	1922 St. Louis Browns	R	179	.298	.333	.439	3.98	$4,230,856	Sisler, Ken Williams
Smith, Sherry	1925 Cleveland Indians	L	250	.304	.360	.391	4	$5,836,940	Speaker, Sewell
Ruether, Dutch	1925 Washington Senators	L	240	.333	.390	.426	4.03	$6,539,281	Goslin, Rice, Ruel
Bentley, Jack	1923 New York Giants	L	194	.427	.446	.573	4.07	$6,161,868	Frisch, Youngs

I will get the ball rolling. I like this idea. Sign me up.

I recently had 1969 Blue Moon Odom in a progressive league I was in. He went on a tear and hit HR in three consecutive starts including a game where he hit two. He ended up with 10 in only 105 AB. His slugging percentage was .571.

How will draft order be determined?

Here is a link to an article connected to this theme.

http://www.bleacherreport.com/articles/963130-15-all-time-greatest-offensive-seasons-by-a-pitcher

Thanks fatboydad54. Great article. The draft order will be random.

I'm in. Different type of league is a good thing. Won't see the usual characters.

$100M is tough, though. I've scouted rosters of several guys already and building around them will be tricky. For instance 48 Lemon is almost 11M and his best teammate Boudreau another 12M. That's most of what you can spend from any team.

I'll give it a try though I admit I am disappointed that Madison Bumgarner and Tom Glavine aren't on the list

Welcome redcped. I think this will feel more like $110 m cap for most of us, because it will the pitching is going to be pretty cheap in the third and fourth rounds, and with only four teams to choose from it will be hard to field a superstar at every position.

Yeah, this is a cool idea. Please count me in

Welcome Redwingscup!

Count me in please !

Welcome, tdoak, glad to have you!

Posted by tridentric on 4/22/2017 6:04:00 PM (view original):
I'll give it a try though I admit I am disappointed that Madison Bumgarner and Tom Glavine aren't on the list

I edited the list a little bit since you signed up- I added Bumgarner, plus Ferguson Jenkins, Robin Roberts and 1 or 2 others. Sorry Glavine didn't make the cut.

C'mon gentlemen. In what other league would you have to seriously consider drafting Elam Van Gilder ahead of Bob Gibson?