Rule V Leg #56 - Draft Thread Topic

Originally created many moons ago by examinerebb, this league makes any franchise a contender (the Twins made the World Series last season), and a better group of owners can't be found on the site. There is much good-natured banter in the draft thread and the league chat, so bring your sense of humor. The rules are simple:

1. Each owner chooses a franchise. Franchise draft order is in inverse order of win percentage from the previous season for non-playoff teams, then inverse order of win percentage of non-World Series playoff teams, with the WS runner-up picking 23rd, and the WS champ choosing last. New owners will be assigned the draft position of any previous owners who are not returning, with the first to sign up receiving the highest slot, and so on. Division alignment will be determined by the commissioner after team selection is complete. We will attempt to keep divisions as close to real life as possible. Geography will be the first factor, but we will also attempt to maintain traditional rivalries if possible.

2. Each owner chooses five players he/she wishes to protect from that franchise (1969-present) and submits that list via sitemail to me. Those players are the exclusive property of their respective owners.

3. After all lists are submitted, they will be posted and a three round modified Rule V draft will be held, with draft order being inverse order of each franchise's Rule V win percentage through all legs from which we have data (the worst teams pick first). Many thanks to schwarze for compiling this data. Each owner selects one unprotected player from any active franchise but their own (player seasons for franchises that were not chosen are not eligible). That player is also theirs exclusively. No more than two players may be taken from any one franchise in any one round.

4. At the end of the first and second rounds, each owner will choose an additional player they wish to protect. You will end up protecting seven in all, while drafting three. These ten players must appear on your roster. The rest of the roster is filled by players from your franchise during the given time period (1969-present day).

$120 Million Cap
No trades
No WW
No DH
No AAA
  • No clones (same player, same franchise - if a player played for more than one franchise, he is available once for each franchise)
  • If a player split time between multiple teams in a season (as listed at WIS) his full season is available once for each team
  • SLL limited to current series
  • Stadium must have been used by your franchise for at least one full season between 1969-present
  • Tiebreaker for draft positions will be run differential from the previous season, worse differential picks first

    For those new to the Rule V fold:

    There is much good-natured ribbing during the draft (we try not to be too player-specific, so as not to influence the draft, but sometimes the temptation is too much). Do not take it personally. Pick a draft strategy and stay the course, regardless.

    Glossary

    He Who Must Not Be Named (HWMNBN) - A former player/manager/dirtbag for the Cincinnati Reds (and later, Philadelphia Phillies and Montreal Expos) who defiled the grand game of baseball. No Rule V team has ever won a title with him, so heed jose's warnings about karma. I would imagine Lady Karma grows weary from teaching the same lesson over and over, as the ruler with which she raps offending knuckles seems to grow with each passing season. The scumbag finally won a couple of championships. Lady Karma has stunned us all with this development

    The Single Most Overrated Pitcher of All Time (TSMOPOAT) - Nolan Ryan

    The Single Most Overrated Position Player of All Time (TSMOPPOAT) - Cal Ripken, Jr.

    (Both of those players designated by Vegas...see below)

    Vegas - jose can u c - Our Rule V Prediction King (emeritus)

    Newest Entry: Alleyviper's Favorite Third Baseman of All Time (AFTBOAT) - Scott Rolen (has picked him at least four drafts)
5/20/2017 12:45 PM
Player Draft Order (Franchises taken are in RED)
Rank Franchise Years _Wins_ Losses Wining%
1 Rays 9 549 909 0.3765
2 D'backs 17 1230 1524 0.4466
3 Tigers 27 2026 2350 0.4630
4 Pirates 25 1911 2139 0.4719
5 White Sox 13 997 1109 0.4734
6 Rockies 14 1081 1187 0.4766
7 Twins 28 2192 2346 0.4830
8 Rangers 20 1568 1673 0.4838
9 Angels 22 1740 1824 0.4882
10 Marlins 25 1997 2055 0.4928
11 Orioles 30 2397 2464 0.4931
12 Brewers 28 2250 2289 0.4957
13 Expos 37 2982 3015 0.4972
14 Blue Jays 33 2660 2688 0.4974
15 Red Sox 37 2996 2999 0.4997
16 Mariners 36 2916 2918 0.4998
17 Phillies 36 2933 2902 0.5027
18 Padres 29 2362 2337 0.5027
19 Indians 35 2865 2806 0.5052
20 Mets 34 2784 2725 0.5054
21 Cubs 28 2308 2228 0.5088
22 Braves 36 2977 2855 0.5105
23 Giants 36 2983 2852 0.5112
24 Royals 32 2657 2529 0.5123
25 Reds 29 2410 2289 0.5129
26 Cardinals 37 3109 2886 0.5186
27 Yankees 33 2815 2531 0.5266
28 Dodgers 36 3089 2745 0.5295
29 A's 37 3203 2792 0.5343
30 Astros 37 3286 2709 0.5481
5/23/2017 5:28 AM (edited)
Franchise Draft Order (timed schedule starts Monday 5/22)
  1. tjefferson 57-105 .352 Boston Red Sox#
  2. mussopini23 63-99 .389 Chicago Cubs#
  3. alice 69-93 .426 Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals#
  4. specsman 72-90 .444 Toronto Blue Jays#
  5. spoonfed 73-89 .451 Milwaukee Brewers#
  6. sinfonian11 78-84 .481 Detroit Tigers#
  7. llcoach 78-84 .481 St. Louis Cardinals#
  8. pumpkinmcp 78-84 .481 Baltimore Orioles
  9. tridentric 80-82 .494 New York Yankees#
  10. ChitownBluz 81-81 .500 Cleveland Indians#
  11. newarkwilder 82-80 .506 Texas Rangers#
  12. Chisock 83-79 .512 Houston Astros#
  13. dilligafdbp 84-79 .515 Arizona Diamondbacks#
  14. spikeboots 86-76 .531 Oakland Athletics#
  15. alleyviper 86-76 .531 Atlanta Braves#
  16. nordawg 88-74 .543 Kansas City Royals#
  17. mosesk 79-83 .487^* Los Angeles Dodgers#
  18. ff09 85-77 .525* San Francisco Giants#
  19. rbow923 90-72 .556* Philadelphia Phillies#
  20. laramiebob 91-71 .562^* Pittsburgh Pirates#
  21. shaybee 92-70 .568* Cincinnati Reds#
  22. Robin4 95-67 .586* Chicago White Sox#
  23. schwarze 85-78 .521% Minnesota Twins#
  24. buddhagamer 90-72 .556$ New York Mets#
# third round keeper sent

^ new owner
* playoff team
% WS runner-up
$ WS champs

Division Alignment
NL East - Atlanta, NY Mets, Philadelphia, Montreal/Washington
NL Central - Chi Cubs, St. Louis, Pittsburgh, Milwaukee
NL West - LA Dodgers, San Francisco, Arizona, Cincinnati
AL East - NY Yankees, Boston, Baltimore, Toronto
AL Central - Detroit, Chi White Sox, Cleveland, Minnesota
AL West - Oakland, Houston, Texas, Kansas City

Owner list for sitemailing: tjefferson; mussopini23; alice; specsman; spoonfed; sinfonian11; llcoach; pumpkinmcp; tridentric; ChitownBluz; newarkwilder; Chisock; dilligafdbp; spikeboots; alleyviper; nordawg; mosesk; ff09; rbow923; laramiebob; shaybee; Robin4; schwarze; buddhagamer
5/28/2017 3:46 PM (edited)
Player Draft First Round (timed schedule Wednesday 5/24)
  1. dilligafdbp - Arizona Diamondbacks Orel Hershiser - LAD
  2. sinfonian11 - Detroit Tigers Zack Greinke - KCR
  3. laramiebob - Pittsburgh Pirates Mike Caldwell - MIL
  4. Robin4 - Chicago White Sox Jeff Kent - SFG
  5. schwarze - Minnesota Twins Fritz Peterson - NYY
  6. newarkwilder - Texas Rangers JR Richard - HOU
  7. pumpkinmcp - Baltimore Orioles Rico Petrocelli - BOS
  8. spoonfed - Milwaukee Brewers Derek Jeter - NYY (Yankees off the board)
  9. alice - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals TSMOPOAT - HOU (Astros off the board)
  10. specsman - Toronto Blue Jays Johnny Cueto - CIN
  11. tjefferson - Boston Red Sox Mark McGwire - STL
  12. rbow923 - Philadelphia Phillies Fernando Valenzuela - LAD (Dodgers off the board)
  13. ChitownBluz - Cleveland Indians Chris Sale - CHW
  14. buddhagamer - New York Mets Carl Yastrzemski - BOS (Red Sox off the board)
  15. mussopini23 - Chicago Cubs Barry Larkin - CIN (Reds off the board)
  16. alleyviper - Atlanta Braves Chase Utley - PHI
  17. ff09 - San Francisco Giants Joe Torre - STL (Cardinals off the board)
  18. nordawg - Kansas City Royals Gary Sheffield - ATL
  19. shaybee - Cincinnati Reds Rob Nenn - SFG (Giants off the board)
  20. llcoach - St. Louis Cardinals Willie Wilson - KCR (Royals off the board)
  21. tridentric - New York Yankees Omar Vizquel - CLE
  22. mosesk - Los Angeles Dodgers Dennis Eckersley - OAK
  23. spikeboots - Oakland Athletics Gary Carter - MON/WSH
  24. Chisock - Houston Astros Alan Trammell - DET
Player Draft Second Round (timed schedule Friday 5/26)
  1. dilligafdbp - Arizona Diamondbacks Rich Aurilia - SFG
  2. sinfonian11 - Detroit Tigers Billy Williams - CHC
  3. laramiebob - Pittsburgh Pirates John Matlack - NYM
  4. Robin4 - Chicago White Sox Hideo Nomo - LAD
  5. schwarze - Minnesota Twins Ozzie Smith - STL
  6. newarkwilder - Texas Rangers Jacoby Ellsbury - BOS
  7. pumpkinmcp - Baltimore Orioles Carlos Beltran - NYM (Mets off the board)
  8. spoonfed - Milwaukee Brewers Pascual Perez - MON/WSH
  9. alice - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals Michael Young - TEX
  10. specsman - Toronto Blue Jays Kyle Hendricks - CHC
  11. tjefferson - Boston Red Sox Rickey Henderson - NYY
  12. rbow923 - Philadelphia Phillies Jose Altuve - HOU
  13. ChitownBluz - Cleveland Indians Johnny Cueto - SFG (Giants off the board)
  14. buddhagamer - New York Mets Bobby Murcer - NYY (Yankees off the board)
  15. mussopini23 - Chicago Cubs Manny Ramirez - BOS (Red Sox off the board)
  16. alleyviper - Atlanta Braves John Denny - PHI
  17. ff09 - San Francisco Giants Bobby Abreu - PHI (Phillies off the board)
  18. nordawg - Kansas City Royals Carlos Delgado - TOR
  19. shaybee - Cincinnati Reds Mark Eichhorn - TOR (Blue Jays off the board)
  20. llcoach - St. Louis Cardinals Craig Kimbrel - ATL
  21. tridentric - New York Yankees Bob Gibson - STL (Cardinals off the board
  22. mosesk - Los Angeles Dodgers Will Clark - TEX (Rangers off the board)
  23. spikeboots - Oakland Athletics Wade Davis - KCR
  24. Chisock - Houston Astros Jim Thome - CLE
Player Draft Third Round (timed schedule Tuesday 5/30)
  1. dilligafdbp - Arizona Diamondbacks Eric Davis - CIN
  2. sinfonian11 - Detroit Tigers Rafael Betancourt - CLE
  3. laramiebob - Pittsburgh Pirates Randy Johnson - HOU
  4. Robin4 - Chicago White Sox Corey Kluber - CLE (Indians off the board)
  5. schwarze - Minnesota Twins Larry Dierker - HOU (Astros off the board)
  6. newarkwilder - Texas Rangers Kevin Mitchell - SFG
  7. pumpkinmcp - Baltimore Orioles Kevin Appier - KCR
  8. spoonfed - Milwaukee Brewers Alex Rodriguez - NYY
  9. alice - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals Ted Simmons - STL
  10. specsman - Toronto Blue Jays Brian Giles - PIT
  11. tjefferson - Boston Red Sox Ben Zobrist - CHC
  12. rbow923 - Philadelphia Phillies Manny Ramirez - LAD
  13. ChitownBluz - Cleveland Indians Keith Foulke - CHW
  14. buddhagamer - New York Mets Hong-Chih Kuo - LAD (Dodgers off the board)
  15. mussopini23 - Chicago Cubs Koji Uehara - BOS (Red Sox off the board)
  16. alleyviper - Atlanta Braves Andre Dawson - MON/WSH
  17. ff09 - San Francisco Giants Miguel Tejada - BAL
  18. nordawg - Kansas City Royals Bob Tewksbury - STL (Cardinals off the board)
  19. shaybee - Cincinnati Reds Rod Beck - SFG (Giants off the board)
  20. llcoach - St. Louis Cardinals Rich Gossage - NYY (Yankees off the board)
  21. tridentric - New York Yankees David Cone - NYM
  22. mosesk - Los Angeles Dodgers Kevin Mitchell - CIN
  23. spikeboots - Oakland Athletics Koji Uehara - TEX
  24. Chisock - Houston Astros Darren Daulton - PHI
5/31/2017 10:16 PM (edited)
List of keepers/draft picks

dilligafdbp - Arizona Diamondbacks: Luis Gonzalez, Paul Goldschmidt, Aaron Hill, Curt Schilling, Randy Johnson, Orel Hershiser - LAD, AJ Pollock, Rich Aurillia - SFG, Matt Williams, Eric Davis - CIN

sinfonian11 - Detroit Tigers: Justin Verlander, Max Scherzer, Miguel Cabrera, Magglio Ordonez, Tony Phillips, Zack Greinke - KCR, Willie Hernandez, Billy Williams - CHC, Carlos Guillen, Rafael Betancourt - CLE

laramiebob - Pittsburgh Pirates: Barry Bonds, Doug Drabek, Andrew McCutchen, Manny Sanguillen, Willie Stargell, Mike Caldwell - MIL, Rick Reuschel, John Matlack - NYM, Jay Bell, Randy Johnson - HOU

Robin4 - Chicago White Sox: Frank Thomas, Albert Belle, Dick Allen, Wilbur Wood, Esteban Loaiza, Jeff Kent - SFG, Mark Buehrle, Hideo Nomo - LAD, Magglio Ordonez, Corey Kluber - CLE

schwarze - Minnesota Twins: Joe Mauer, Kirby Puckett, Chuck Knoblauch, Rod Carew, Johan Santana, Fritz Peterson - NYY, Joe Nathan, Ozzie Smith - STL, Lyman Bostock, Larry Dierker - HOU

newarkwilder - Texas Rangers: Alex Rodriguez, Adrian Beltre, Josh Hamilton, TSMOPOAT, Cliff Lee, JR Richard - HOU, Mike Napoli, Jacoby Ellsbury - BOS, Julio Franco, Kevin Mitchell - SFG

pumpkinmcp - Baltimore Orioles: Chris Hoiles, TSMOPPOAT, Roberto Alomar, Mike Cuellar, Jim Palmer, Rico Petrocelli - BOS, Brady Anderson, Carlos Beltran - NYM, Zach Britton, Kevin Appier - KCR

spoonfed - Milwaukee Brewers: Paul Molitor, Robin Yount, Ryan Braun, Teddy Higuera, Ben Sheets, Derek Jeter - NYY, CC Sabathia, Pascual Perez - MON/WSH, Prince Fielder, Alex Rodriguez - NYY

alice - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals: Daniel Murphy, Tim Raines, Bryce Harper, Pedro Martinez, Max Scherzer, TSMOPOAT - HOU, Ryan Zimmerman, Michael Young - TEX, Dennis Martinez, Ted Simmons - STL

specsman - Toronto Blue Jays: Roger Clemens, Shawn Green, Jose Bautista, Tony Fernandez, John Olerud, Johnny Cueto - CIN, Roberto Alomar, Kyle Hendricks - CHC, BJ Ryan, Brian Giles - PIT

tjefferson - Boston Red Sox: Pedro Martinez, Roger Clemens, Wade Boggs, Nomar Garciaparra, Fred Lynn, Mark McGwire - STL, Derek Lowe, Rickey Henderson - NYY, Carlton Fisk, Ben Zobrist - CHC

rbow923 - Philadelphia Phillies: Steve Carlton, Curt Schilling, Mike Schmidt, Ryan Howard, Lenny Dykstra, Fernando Valenzuela - LAD, Jimmy Rollins, Jose Altuve - HOU, Rheal Cormier, Manny Ramirez - LAD

ChitownBluz - Cleveland Indians: Gaylord Perry, Albert Belle, Kenny Lofton, Roberto Alomar, Manny Ramirez, Chris Sale - CHW, CC Sabathia, Johnny Cueto - SFG, Andrew Miller, Keith Foulke - CHW

buddhagamer - New York Mets: John Olerud, Dwight Gooden, Tom Seaver, Pedro Martinez, Matt Harvey, Carl Yastrzemski - BOS, Jose Reyes, Bobby Murcer - NYY, David Wright, Hong-Chih Kuo - LAD

mussopini23 - Chicago Cubs: Greg Maddux, Jake Arrieta, Ryne Sandberg, Derek Lee, Sammy Sosa, Barry Larkin - CIN, Aroldis Chapman, Manny Ramirez - BOS, Bruce Sutter, Koji Uehara - BOS

alleyviper - Atlanta Braves: Hank Aaron, Chipper Jones, Greg Maddux, John Smoltz, Kevin Millwood, Chase Utley - PHI, Kris Medlen, John Denny - PHI, Rico Carty, Andre Dawson - MON/WSH

ff09 - San Francisco Giants: Juan Marichal, Jason Schmidt, Tim Lincecum, Barry Bonds, Willie McCovey, Joe Torre - STL, Buster Posey, Bobby Abreu - PHI, Madison Bumgarner, Miguel Tejada - BAL

nordawg - Kansas City Royals: George Brett, Darrell Porter, Bret Saberhagen, Roger Nelson, Larry Gura, Gary Sheffield - ATL, David Cone, Carlos Delgado - TOR, Johnny Damon, Bob Tewksbury - STL

shaybee - Cincinnati Reds: Tom Seaver, HWMNBN, Johnny Bench, Joe Morgan, Joey Votto, Rob Nenn - SFG, Aroldis Chapman, Mark Eichhorn - TOR, George Foster, Rod Beck - SFG

llcoach - St. Louis Cardinals: John Tudor, Chris Carpenter, Adam Wainwright, Albert Pujols, Willie McGee, Willie Wilson - KCR, Matt Carpenter, Craig Kimbrel - ATL, Yadier Molina, Rich Gossage - NYY

tridentric - New York Yankees: Paul O'Neill, Bernie Williams, Robinson Cano, Catfish Hunter, Ron Guidry, Omar Vizquel - CLE, Dave Righetti, Bob Gibson - STL, Mariano Rivera, David Cone - NYM

mosesk - Los Angeles Dodgers: Clayton Kershaw, Zack Greinke, Don Sutton, Kevin Brown, Mike Piazza, Dennis Eckersley - OAK, Adrian Beltre, Will Clark - TEX, Eric Gagne, Kevin Mitchell - CIN

spikeboots - Oakland Athletics: Jason Giambi, Rickey Henderson, Mike Norris, Catfish Hunter, Vida Blue, Gary Carter - MON/WSH, Tim Hudson, Wade Davis - KCR, Reggie Jackson, Koji Uehara - TEX

Chisock - Houston Astros: Jeff Bagwell, Lance Berkman, Mike Scott, Roger Clemens, Don Sutton, Alan Trammell - DET, Craig Biggio, Jim Thome - CLE, Carlos Beltran, Darren Daulton - PHI
5/31/2017 10:17 PM (edited)
Draft thread is ready to go. tjefferson can start us off whenever he's ready.
5/20/2017 5:11 PM
Does WIS not let you download league spreadsheets now? I don't see a link for it anywhere on the league page right now.
5/20/2017 6:31 PM
Posted by alleyviper on 5/20/2017 6:31:00 PM (view original):
Does WIS not let you download league spreadsheets now? I don't see a link for it anywhere on the league page right now.
Hmm, that's odd. I don't see the link either. Anyone seen that in other leagues?
5/21/2017 9:01 AM
Boston Red Sox
5/21/2017 12:20 PM
Here is the link to the salaries spreadsheets. You have to click on the "Round 2" links for the Feb 15 updates

https://www.whatifsports.com/forums/Posts.aspx?topicID=491559&TopicsTimeframe=365
5/22/2017 9:30 AM
Thanks, schwarze. Just FYI, mussopini23 hasn't opened the sitemail I sent Saturday about the draft.
5/22/2017 10:21 AM
I'm good, here & picking shortly
5/22/2017 11:00 AM
This is the 11:00 pick:

Expos / Nationals
5/22/2017 11:28 AM
Toronto Blue Jays
5/22/2017 11:34 AM
I don't think I've had this Franchise before, & if so, maybe it was so bad that I didn't want to remember, I'll take the W Flag & the Go CUBS Go
5/22/2017 11:48 AM
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