Posted by robusk on 6/28/2017 1:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by ashamael on 6/27/2017 8:58:00 PM (view original):

Posted by beachhouse on 6/27/2017 7:59:00 PM (view original):
They destroyed Anthony Davis, such horrid rebounding %'s

Gobert will be a legit 1st rounder now though.

How did they destroy him? That's what he did...

It is an especially silly comment because not only is it what he did but it also represents the best CREB% of his career.

I was clearly wrong, I get it..

Pretty sure this sim is over. Can't even get a single league to fill at this point. Kind of a joke.

former Clipper CP3 has another nice partial season option now

now let's see how long before they respond to my ticket.

Posted by superrobb420 on 6/27/2017 8:58:00 PM (view original):
I was in love with the harden season until I saw the turnovers.

How does Giannis not have PG or SG eligibility?

You can play Giannis at SG he's 98%

Posted by ashamael on 6/27/2017 8:59:00 PM (view original):

Posted by copernicus on 6/27/2017 7:30:00 PM (view original):
Drummond 2+ stl 2+ blk 99 irl drtg is d 56

I remember something about team defense being part of the equation, too, and if that's the case, then he'll never be good.

Which actually works the opposite of how it should be - he's a good defender on a bad team, so his defense should be even better. I echo your frustration!

It's a lot to do with the Blk%

Posted by eleibowitz on 6/28/2017 5:28:00 PM (view original):

Posted by ashamael on 6/27/2017 8:59:00 PM (view original):

Posted by copernicus on 6/27/2017 7:30:00 PM (view original):
Drummond 2+ stl 2+ blk 99 irl drtg is d 56

I remember something about team defense being part of the equation, too, and if that's the case, then he'll never be good.

Which actually works the opposite of how it should be - he's a good defender on a bad team, so his defense should be even better. I echo your frustration!

It's a lot to do with the Blk%

I think most would contend that Drummond is a pretty average defender. Blocks and steals are good but get turned around a ton on the pick and roll, can't step out on shooters. 56 seems about right.

https://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM/position/9

http://stats.nba.com/players/defense/#!?sort=DEF_WS&dir=-1&Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PlayerPosition=C

BBR DRating and DWinShares overstate his impact but they are generally considered pretty flawed statistics. Generally speaking, DRating On/Off, Pnts Allowed PP and Defended and Real +/- are probably the best barometers we have these days besides actual scouting.

Posted by robusk on 6/28/2017 6:03:00 PM (view original):

Posted by eleibowitz on 6/28/2017 5:28:00 PM (view original):

Posted by ashamael on 6/27/2017 8:59:00 PM (view original):

Posted by copernicus on 6/27/2017 7:30:00 PM (view original):
Drummond 2+ stl 2+ blk 99 irl drtg is d 56

I remember something about team defense being part of the equation, too, and if that's the case, then he'll never be good.

Which actually works the opposite of how it should be - he's a good defender on a bad team, so his defense should be even better. I echo your frustration!

It's a lot to do with the Blk%

I think most would contend that Drummond is a pretty average defender. Blocks and steals are good but get turned around a ton on the pick and roll, can't step out on shooters. 56 seems about right.

https://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM/position/9

http://stats.nba.com/players/defense/#!?sort=DEF_WS&dir=-1&Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PlayerPosition=C

BBR DRating and DWinShares overstate his impact but they are generally considered pretty flawed statistics. Generally speaking, DRating On/Off, Pnts Allowed PP and Defended and Real +/- are probably the best barometers we have these days besides actual scouting.

to me the real question isn't about Drummond's irl defensive prowess but more about what is the structure of the algorithm and how is it calibrated

Posted by copernicus on 6/28/2017 7:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by robusk on 6/28/2017 6:03:00 PM (view original):

Posted by eleibowitz on 6/28/2017 5:28:00 PM (view original):

Posted by ashamael on 6/27/2017 8:59:00 PM (view original):

Posted by copernicus on 6/27/2017 7:30:00 PM (view original):
Drummond 2+ stl 2+ blk 99 irl drtg is d 56

I remember something about team defense being part of the equation, too, and if that's the case, then he'll never be good.

Which actually works the opposite of how it should be - he's a good defender on a bad team, so his defense should be even better. I echo your frustration!

It's a lot to do with the Blk%

I think most would contend that Drummond is a pretty average defender. Blocks and steals are good but get turned around a ton on the pick and roll, can't step out on shooters. 56 seems about right.

https://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM/position/9

http://stats.nba.com/players/defense/#!?sort=DEF_WS&dir=-1&Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PlayerPosition=C

BBR DRating and DWinShares overstate his impact but they are generally considered pretty flawed statistics. Generally speaking, DRating On/Off, Pnts Allowed PP and Defended and Real +/- are probably the best barometers we have these days besides actual scouting.

to me the real question isn't about Drummond's irl defensive prowess but more about what is the structure of the algorithm and how is it calibrated

This.

Posted by copernicus on 6/28/2017 7:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by robusk on 6/28/2017 6:03:00 PM (view original):

Posted by eleibowitz on 6/28/2017 5:28:00 PM (view original):

Posted by ashamael on 6/27/2017 8:59:00 PM (view original):

Posted by copernicus on 6/27/2017 7:30:00 PM (view original):
Drummond 2+ stl 2+ blk 99 irl drtg is d 56

I remember something about team defense being part of the equation, too, and if that's the case, then he'll never be good.

Which actually works the opposite of how it should be - he's a good defender on a bad team, so his defense should be even better. I echo your frustration!

It's a lot to do with the Blk%

I think most would contend that Drummond is a pretty average defender. Blocks and steals are good but get turned around a ton on the pick and roll, can't step out on shooters. 56 seems about right.

https://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM/position/9

http://stats.nba.com/players/defense/#!?sort=DEF_WS&dir=-1&Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PlayerPosition=C

BBR DRating and DWinShares overstate his impact but they are generally considered pretty flawed statistics. Generally speaking, DRating On/Off, Pnts Allowed PP and Defended and Real +/- are probably the best barometers we have these days besides actual scouting.

to me the real question isn't about Drummond's irl defensive prowess but more about what is the structure of the algorithm and how is it calibrated

Oh thought I saw someone in this thread call him a stud.

Unsure how they calculate, anyone ever submit a ticket?

Posted by eleibowitz on 6/28/2017 5:27:00 PM (view original):

Posted by superrobb420 on 6/27/2017 8:58:00 PM (view original):
I was in love with the harden season until I saw the turnovers.

How does Giannis not have PG or SG eligibility?

You can play Giannis at SG he's 98%

Can... but with a penalty.

http://www.82games.com/1617/1617MIL2.HTM

of the top 20 rotations by minutes played last season for the Bucks Giannis played exactly none as a 2 guard so what did they get wrong?

98% isn't a significant penalty either from what I understand.

Posted by slashtc on 6/29/2017 9:51:00 AM (view original):
98% isn't a significant penalty either from what I understand.

It's what it says it is. So any owner assembling a team can assess whether it's worth shaving Giannis' projected capabilities in order to play him at SG. (The purpose of doing so presumably would be to try to maximize an advantage in rebounding.)

McHale is drafted pretty high in the dh52 league every darn time, and is always played at SF where he is 97% effective.

Posted by beachhouse on 6/27/2017 7:59:00 PM (view original):
They destroyed Anthony Davis, such horrid rebounding %'s

Gobert will be a legit 1st rounder now though.

Yeah, Gobert is intriguing. Arguably a better option than DeAndre for a defensive, rebounding big man. And DeAndre supplanted Big Ben in the first round of $52 mil leagues, and Ben replaced Mutombo who replaced Russell, basically.

Posted by copernicus on 6/27/2017 9:04:00 PM (view original):
and yet not a huge shifter in the draft leagues, I don't think, Westbrook is a novelty act, Gobert is ok but he was ok last season too and is not that much more ok in any meaningful way

Gobert rises on the draft boards, I think. He played more minutes, was even more efficient on higher usage, and played slightly better defense.

Giannis also gets a boost. Late second round maybe. (He'd go higher if he made 3s.)

Westbrook I still want nothing to do with. Maybe he's worth a flyer on a team that's trying for the efg bump through mad assists. His crazy rebounding at PG helps offset the fact that your bigs are probably losing the rebounding battle. But that strategy isn't my bag, and I don't want to watch him shoot me out of games.

Mostly I think this crop of player seasons is a boon to progressive leagues. Lots of guys who rebound well, pass well, and/or shoot well. Just few guys posting their best season ever.