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Posted by cccp1014 on 6/29/2017 7:16:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 6/29/2017 5:57:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 6/29/2017 5:51:00 PM (view original):
You should have checked out before you started with the Hunter / Radke comparison.
You're not even willing to do a comparison. Your ability to think critically begins and ends with "what people thought 40 years ago."
WHIP is a relevant stat and Hunter and Seaver have the same basic WHIP. You are the one who uses fuzzy math that only favors you. Very ignorant you are. And Pedro was better than any pitcher you and I have EVER seen compare his numbers to anyone and everyone that was his contemporary and its not even freaking close. Please learn logic and math and then get back to me. I have schooled and embarrassed you in this debate.

Mussina was not even in the same stratosphere as Pedro.
Are you Coachward in disguise?

You are, aren't you.
6/29/2017 7:24 PM
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What? Yet another deflection. Stick to the topic.
6/29/2017 7:48 PM
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Was Pedro way better than Mussina or not? Simple question answer it with one word if you can?
6/29/2017 7:49 PM
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Posted by cccp1014 on 6/29/2017 7:49:00 PM (view original):
Was Pedro way better than Mussina or not? Simple question answer it with one word if you can?
Yes of course. Pedro is one of the absolute best pitchers of all time. No one is srguing otherwise
6/29/2017 8:01 PM
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Posted by bad_luck on 6/29/2017 7:23:00 PM (view original):
Posted by sjpoker on 6/29/2017 7:12:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 6/29/2017 5:57:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 6/29/2017 5:51:00 PM (view original):
You should have checked out before you started with the Hunter / Radke comparison.
You're not even willing to do a comparison. Your ability to think critically begins and ends with "what people thought 40 years ago."
Your ability to think is confined to Bill James articles and Microsoft Excel.
You're being ridiculous. In any other situation, if someone asked you to compare two pitchers, you'd go to their BR page and look at the stats.

I'm perfectly willing to listen to an argument as to why Hunter was better than Mussina, but you'll actually have to make the argument using facts. Not bullshit like "Hunter was the most coveted pitcher in baseball" and "40 years ago people thought Hunter was really good."
I'm not making that argument. All I said was you can't ignore that Hunter was a top pitcher in his ERA and Mussina was a 1A pitcher in his ERA. Stats won't show you that.
6/29/2017 9:10 PM
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Posted by sjpoker on 6/29/2017 9:10:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 6/29/2017 7:23:00 PM (view original):
Posted by sjpoker on 6/29/2017 7:12:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 6/29/2017 5:57:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 6/29/2017 5:51:00 PM (view original):
You should have checked out before you started with the Hunter / Radke comparison.
You're not even willing to do a comparison. Your ability to think critically begins and ends with "what people thought 40 years ago."
Your ability to think is confined to Bill James articles and Microsoft Excel.
You're being ridiculous. In any other situation, if someone asked you to compare two pitchers, you'd go to their BR page and look at the stats.

I'm perfectly willing to listen to an argument as to why Hunter was better than Mussina, but you'll actually have to make the argument using facts. Not bullshit like "Hunter was the most coveted pitcher in baseball" and "40 years ago people thought Hunter was really good."
I'm not making that argument. All I said was you can't ignore that Hunter was a top pitcher in his ERA and Mussina was a 1A pitcher in his ERA. Stats won't show you that.
Was Hunter a top pitcher in his era?

He had three very good years and the rest were average to bad.

Seaver, Palmer, Perry, Carlton, Gibson, & Tiant, to name a few, all pitched in Hunter's era. He wasn't better than them.
6/29/2017 9:16 PM
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Did you watch and follow baseball in the 70's? Or were you shitting in your diapers?
6/29/2017 9:40 PM
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Posted by bad_luck on 6/29/2017 8:01:00 PM (view original):
Posted by cccp1014 on 6/29/2017 7:49:00 PM (view original):
Was Pedro way better than Mussina or not? Simple question answer it with one word if you can?
Yes of course. Pedro is one of the absolute best pitchers of all time. No one is srguing otherwise
Their WAR is basically identical...hence WAR is a stat but not always an overly accurate one.

Thank you for making my point.
6/29/2017 9:41 PM
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Posted by tecwrg on 6/29/2017 9:40:00 PM (view original):
Did you watch and follow baseball in the 70's? Or were you shitting in your diapers?
Show me some evidence. So far your entire argument is "because I say so."
6/29/2017 9:43 PM
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Posted by cccp1014 on 6/29/2017 9:41:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 6/29/2017 8:01:00 PM (view original):
Posted by cccp1014 on 6/29/2017 7:49:00 PM (view original):
Was Pedro way better than Mussina or not? Simple question answer it with one word if you can?
Yes of course. Pedro is one of the absolute best pitchers of all time. No one is srguing otherwise
Their WAR is basically identical...hence WAR is a stat but not always an overly accurate one.

Thank you for making my point.
Pedro's peak was ridiculous but his career was short. Mussinas peak was very good and he had a longer career. It makes sense that their overall career value would be similar.
6/29/2017 9:44 PM
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Posted by tecwrg on 6/29/2017 9:40:00 PM (view original):
Did you watch and follow baseball in the 70's? Or were you shitting in your diapers?
His diapers were full of **** but he still knows better than anyone who was actually watching the game back then. BECAUSE HIS STATBOOK SEZ SO!!!!!!!!!!
6/29/2017 9:50 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 6/29/2017 9:50:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 6/29/2017 9:40:00 PM (view original):
Did you watch and follow baseball in the 70's? Or were you shitting in your diapers?
His diapers were full of **** but he still knows better than anyone who was actually watching the game back then. BECAUSE HIS STATBOOK SEZ SO!!!!!!!!!!
I guess it's just the eye test right? Just like the eye test said that Justin Maxwell was gonna be a superstar
6/29/2017 10:07 PM
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Posted by bad_luck on 6/29/2017 9:43:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 6/29/2017 9:40:00 PM (view original):
Did you watch and follow baseball in the 70's? Or were you shitting in your diapers?
Show me some evidence. So far your entire argument is "because I say so."
Not just me. Everybody who followed baseball when Hunter was active.

Context is important. It's not all about your clown stats.
6/29/2017 10:31 PM
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But, please. Tell us more about the virtues of Brad Radke.
6/29/2017 10:32 PM
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Posted by tecwrg on 6/29/2017 10:31:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 6/29/2017 9:43:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 6/29/2017 9:40:00 PM (view original):
Did you watch and follow baseball in the 70's? Or were you shitting in your diapers?
Show me some evidence. So far your entire argument is "because I say so."
Not just me. Everybody who followed baseball when Hunter was active.

Context is important. It's not all about your clown stats.
Oh. I didn't realize you spoke for EVERYONE who followed baseball in the 70's.

What context makes Hunter a great pitcher that doesn't show up in his stats?
6/29/2017 10:40 PM
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