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https://everytownresearch.org/reports/mass-shootings-analysis/
Okay, let's use their data which supports your argument about mass shootings in "gun free" zones. It proves my point. Weapons are not the issue. The decline in morality is the issue.
Yeah, but if we have bad people, why do we let them have firearms? You are making my arguments for me.
Nope. You're missing the argument as normal. We need to do more as a society to promote stable, 2 parent households. It has gotten to the point that if you speak negatively of single motherhood, you are ridiculed. It has gotten to the point where people believe that mothers and fathers are interchangeable even though they are not. This "tolerance" has led to moral decay in our society. The boys don't have fathers at home to teach them how to be responsible, productive citizens. I know that Cruz grew up with 2 parents having been adopted (we don't know the stability of the home), but that is not the norm for most whack jobs.
54% of mass killings are murders of spouses or partners and there families. These people can do the same damage in that setting with many different weapons.
Arguing gun control is counterproductive. It takes the focus away from the more relevant issues in these tragedies
But I agree with most of what you are saying. All I am arguing for is to not allow people like Cruz, who had a mental illness, had talked about shooting up the school on twitter, had misused guns in the past, and had recently been expelled to not be able to legally purchase a gun, especially a semi-automatic one. Yes, we need to deal with all of those problems, and I have some disagreements with your arguments (sometimes divorce is a good thing, and gay marriage does not mean an unstable household, so that's pretty homophobic of you, and sometimes fathers can be a negative influence on their kids) but the fact that Cruz was in counseling before he lost his adoptive family, and then dropped out of counseling which is when things started to go downhill is relevant. But for the moment, can we all just agree that we need to put in reasonable gun control reforms like mental health checks, background checks, regular checkups, no guns to felons, and training for gun ownership to not make it easy for those unstable people to, oh, I don't know, shoot up a school?
Stop writing books. I'm tired.
You proved my point that if you disagree, you're ridiculed. Believing that a father and mother should be in the home is not homophobic. By the way, in my religion homosexuality is a sin, so. I don't judge homosexuals as do plenty that God would not approve of, but I'm not going blind to the fact that in the Christian/Jewish doctrine it is a sin.
Saying that, I have a cousin who is a lesbian. Her and her wife have a child. The child is loved and well cared for and will more than likely be very successful in life. But, there is a lot that he will not learn as to what it means to be a man and the responsibilities that we have.
As far as divorce, in very few cases is it good for the kids. Normally, it creates self-esteem issues and many other problems. My dad is bipolar and my parents fought crazy when I was growing up. He wasn't physical with my mom, but there was plenty of verbal abuse. It was still better for me and my brothers that they stayed together. Now, there are instances where the woman needs to get out of an abusive relationship. Luckily, my mom is a very mentally strong. She was able to handle more than most woman.
Most definitely there are fathers who are poor examples. That means that kids need fathers even more. A large % of fathers who are poor examples grew up without an actively involved father. It creates a pattern that needs to be broken,
The idea of mental health checks is tough. I'm not sure there is an objective way to gauge this. Hell, some people would say that I'm nuts, but I'm not going to go shoot up a school.
I'm okay with expanded background checks.
I'm not sure what you mean by regular checkups.
Felons are already not allowed to own guns.
I like the idea of gun safety training to make ownership safer as a whole, but it wont do anything to prevent mass shootings.
Homosexuality - You can interpret the bible to think that lots of things are sins. Black people, Indians, and Muslims, for instance, have all been villified throughout history.
Divorce - You mentioned it. The main reason I said that is abusive relationships.
Cycle/Pattern: That is the exact argument that I made on institutional racism/poverty earlier.
Mental Health: It is certainly tough to gauge. I am not an expert but there are experts using top notch medical science to establish this.
By regular checkups I mean regular checks and testing to maintain the gun liscense.Testing is mostly used to stop accidents and promote overall safety, but I am not sure that Cruz would have passed it.
By felons I mean that Cruz had said that he would shoot up a school on twitter, had been arrested before, and was recently expelled from school and still was legally allowed to buy a gun. That has to change.