Tricks to Get Pitches to Drop a Pitch Topic

Any out there? Have a pitcher with a 14 P5 and I'd really like it to be dropped. Don't know if there is a special way to do this, other than yelling at the screen. That hasn't proven effective thus far, so here I am.
9/13/2017 4:15 PM
Try a hypnotist.
9/13/2017 4:59 PM
If you go for a really early pitching coach, they often will help the pitcher drop a bad pitch. or so I've Been Told. Enjoy spending the $7 million + it will cost to get one.
9/13/2017 6:24 PM (edited)
I could be wrong but I think I've only ever seen it on guys with a pitch rating of 10 or less.
9/13/2017 7:13 PM
^^^^^^^^^^
Correct. And I've not even seen a double digit get dropped.
9/13/2017 7:33 PM
How much does it hurt the pitcher to have a pitch like this?
9/13/2017 8:47 PM
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Pretty sure I saw a developer chat that said pitches under 30 negatively effect the OVR rating of the pitcher, for whatever that info is worth.
9/14/2017 10:16 AM
If it's a 5th pitch, I don't think it matters. 3rd/4th pitches do.
9/14/2017 10:17 AM
Coincidentally, one of my leagues just posted its "Top Tools: Best Pitches" today, and here are the way it ranks:

1) Player Profile: Pete Servais: 98-82-56-63-40 = 339 /5 = 67.8
2) Player Profile: Graham Ellis: 92-81-62-60 = 295 /4 = 73.75
3) Player Profile: Glendon Gload: 91-76-74 (relevant to this discussion, formerly had a 4th pitch of 24 but it was dropped) = 241 /3 = 80.333
4) Player Profile: Vic Marin: 95-72-63 = 230 /3 = 76.666
5) Player Profile: Bonk Bolling: 83-96-43-63-49 = 334 /5 = 66.8

[side note, top NL guy was Player Profile: Jeremy Oeltjen: 92-96-48-65-53 = 354 /5 = 70.8 which is very very high for a 5-pitch pitcher, and that's reflected in one of the lowest ISO power and lowest HR rates you're going to see on here, that's HOF caliber production]

So we see that even though Gload and Marin have a higher raw average, it somehow matters that they have "only" 3 pitches instead of 5. Also notice that there's never any 2-pitch pitchers on this list. It's somehow weighting the value of having more pitches and scaling it accordingly

Bring it back around to Player Profile: Timothy Carreon, 82-75-52-45-4 = 258 /5 = 51.6 versus 254 /4 = 63.5. The 4-pitch version of Carreon would be scaled higher towards the top 5 tools than his 5-pitch version. So yes in a sense it matters, and it hurts pitchers whenever their end-most pitch is well-below par
9/14/2017 11:59 AM
With Gload dropping a pitch that is in double digits, that kind of refutes the "double digit pitches won't be dropped" perception that was floated out earlier.
9/14/2017 6:04 PM
YeH, I've never seen it that high. I've had a number of guys in the teens to 20's that I had hoped would drop a pitch but it never happened
9/15/2017 11:17 AM
I'm glad to see this post! I have this guy that up until recently seemed to pitch below what his ratings suggested and I thought maybe it was because of his 5th pitch which is a 15. For a while he seemed to give up a lot of hits but managed to keep the damage under control.

https://www.whatifsports.com/hbd/Pages/Popups/PlayerRatings.aspx?pid=8166285
9/15/2017 12:08 PM
Does catcher PC factor into whether a pitches "bad pitches" are thrown?
2/21/2020 12:00 PM
Posted by pjfoster13 on 9/14/2017 11:59:00 AM (view original):
Coincidentally, one of my leagues just posted its "Top Tools: Best Pitches" today, and here are the way it ranks:

1) Player Profile: Pete Servais: 98-82-56-63-40 = 339 /5 = 67.8
2) Player Profile: Graham Ellis: 92-81-62-60 = 295 /4 = 73.75
3) Player Profile: Glendon Gload: 91-76-74 (relevant to this discussion, formerly had a 4th pitch of 24 but it was dropped) = 241 /3 = 80.333
4) Player Profile: Vic Marin: 95-72-63 = 230 /3 = 76.666
5) Player Profile: Bonk Bolling: 83-96-43-63-49 = 334 /5 = 66.8

[side note, top NL guy was Player Profile: Jeremy Oeltjen: 92-96-48-65-53 = 354 /5 = 70.8 which is very very high for a 5-pitch pitcher, and that's reflected in one of the lowest ISO power and lowest HR rates you're going to see on here, that's HOF caliber production]

So we see that even though Gload and Marin have a higher raw average, it somehow matters that they have "only" 3 pitches instead of 5. Also notice that there's never any 2-pitch pitchers on this list. It's somehow weighting the value of having more pitches and scaling it accordingly

Bring it back around to Player Profile: Timothy Carreon, 82-75-52-45-4 = 258 /5 = 51.6 versus 254 /4 = 63.5. The 4-pitch version of Carreon would be scaled higher towards the top 5 tools than his 5-pitch version. So yes in a sense it matters, and it hurts pitchers whenever their end-most pitch is well-below par
This is not meaningful.
or to put it another way, it is inconsistent info.
I followed this is multiple worlds over multiple seasons and never did a pattern emerge.
2/21/2020 12:27 PM
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