Posted by all3 on 9/21/2017 4:26:00 PM (view original):
This:
1. Paul Goldschmidt
2. Paul Goldschmidt
3. Paul Goldschmidt
4. Paul Goldschmidt
5. Paul Goldschmidt
6. Kris Bryant
7. Joey Votto
8. Charlie Blackmon
9. Corey Seager
10. Giancarlo Stanton

seemed like a much, much stronger opinion. Sorry if misinterpreted.

More of a joke but ya, I'm willing to put money on Goldschmidt winning the NL MVP over other candidates by a lot. But I see the argument for most of them

Posted by sjpoker on 9/21/2017 5:21:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Jtpsops on 9/21/2017 12:58:00 PM (view original):

Posted by sjpoker on 9/21/2017 7:28:00 AM (view original):
If Colorado makes it to the postseason, Arenado should get it. The guy has been a beast at third and is probably one of the top 5-10 hitters in baseball. Even BL's WAR tells us he's a top player at the plate and in the field. I really like Goldschmidt, but he's still a first basemen.

I'm getting so tired of stuff like this. Arenado is a very good player, but he's a product of Coors offensively.

2017
Home: 307 PA, .330/.386/.634, 17 HR, 72 RBI
Away: 335 PA, .281/.350/.528, 17 HR, 53 RBI

Career
Home: 1500 PA, .312/.362/.592, 83 HR, 310 RBI
Away: 1484 PA, .265/.316/.472, 62 HR, 191 RBI

Those are some stark differences. He's a great defender, and a very good hitter. But there's no way in hell he's a top 5-10 hitter in the game without Coors Field.

Pretty retarded statement.

Votto 2017
Home: 180 OPS+
Away 166 OPS+

Goldschmidt
Home 168 OPS+
Away 151 OPS+

Arenado
Home 161 OPS+
Away 131 OPS+

All three are better at home then away. Difference is? Arenado's defense is still elite no matter where he is. He doesn't pick to play in Colorado, and its a mistake to think he wouldn't perform just as well in Cincinnati or Arizona.

You know what's more retarded? Making blanket statements with no context.

Sure, all three are better at home. But Arenado is the worst of the three at home and on the road, and he's by far the worst on the road. Unless you think 131 is close to 151 or 166. Votto has a better road OPS than Arenado has home OPS. And his defense is irrelevant to my argument as it has no bearing on his hitting ability.

"He's a great defender, and a very good hitter. But there's no way in hell he's a top 5-10 hitter in the game without Coors Field."

Don't be a dumbass.

Posted by Jtpsops on 9/22/2017 9:43:00 AM (view original):

Posted by sjpoker on 9/21/2017 5:21:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Jtpsops on 9/21/2017 12:58:00 PM (view original):

Posted by sjpoker on 9/21/2017 7:28:00 AM (view original):
If Colorado makes it to the postseason, Arenado should get it. The guy has been a beast at third and is probably one of the top 5-10 hitters in baseball. Even BL's WAR tells us he's a top player at the plate and in the field. I really like Goldschmidt, but he's still a first basemen.

I'm getting so tired of stuff like this. Arenado is a very good player, but he's a product of Coors offensively.

2017
Home: 307 PA, .330/.386/.634, 17 HR, 72 RBI
Away: 335 PA, .281/.350/.528, 17 HR, 53 RBI

Career
Home: 1500 PA, .312/.362/.592, 83 HR, 310 RBI
Away: 1484 PA, .265/.316/.472, 62 HR, 191 RBI

Those are some stark differences. He's a great defender, and a very good hitter. But there's no way in hell he's a top 5-10 hitter in the game without Coors Field.

Pretty retarded statement.

Votto 2017
Home: 180 OPS+
Away 166 OPS+

Goldschmidt
Home 168 OPS+
Away 151 OPS+

Arenado
Home 161 OPS+
Away 131 OPS+

All three are better at home then away. Difference is? Arenado's defense is still elite no matter where he is. He doesn't pick to play in Colorado, and its a mistake to think he wouldn't perform just as well in Cincinnati or Arizona.

You know what's more retarded? Making blanket statements with no context.

Sure, all three are better at home. But Arenado is the worst of the three at home and on the road, and he's by far the worst on the road. Unless you think 131 is close to 151 or 166. Votto has a better road OPS than Arenado has home OPS. And his defense is irrelevant to my argument as it has no bearing on his hitting ability.

"He's a great defender, and a very good hitter. But there's no way in hell he's a top 5-10 hitter in the game without Coors Field."

Don't be a dumbass.

I think hed be just as good a hitter in eithet Cinncinati or Arizona. You're drinking the BL Koolaid.

I'm just curious.... who the **** cares who gets the MVP? Barry Bonds won a fistful, and it didn't help him win a WS.

You play.... to win.... the game.

MVP is just a stat/popularity contest.... and not a very good one. Once Andre Dawson won it for a last place team, it lost all meaning.

Posted by toddcommish on 9/22/2017 6:37:00 PM (view original):
I'm just curious.... who the **** cares who gets the MVP? Barry Bonds won a fistful, and it didn't help him win a WS.

You play.... to win.... the game.

MVP is just a stat/popularity contest.... and not a very good one. Once Andre Dawson won it for a last place team, it lost all meaning.

For me it's always a question of whether the player who is most valuable to his team wins that were the player with the best stats. It usually is a popularity / stat contest, but once in awhile we get surprised.

Posted by toddcommish on 9/22/2017 6:37:00 PM (view original):
I'm just curious.... who the **** cares who gets the MVP? Barry Bonds won a fistful, and it didn't help him win a WS.

You play.... to win.... the game.

MVP is just a stat/popularity contest.... and not a very good one. Once Andre Dawson won it for a last place team, it lost all meaning.

Seems you care greatly. Thanks for the input.

depends on your definition of MVP. The Reds could finish in last place with or without Votto, so how "valuable" is he. Do the DBacks or Rockies make the playoffs without Goldschmidt or Arenado? Probably not, so to me they are more valuable than Votto. Most of the time, the MVP seems to go to the players with the best stats (or close to the best)

For the Rockies, same could be said about Blackmon. Arenado isn't even the best candidate on his own team.

I'm a big "value" guy though. No question Votto is having the best season of any NL hitter, but I'd go with Goldy or Blackmon.

How did I miss this thread and mike's thirsty *** begging for my attention?

I'd go:

Votto
Stanton
Bryant

But 2 and 3 are interchangeable, in my opinion.

You left Trout off. That's so unlike you.

He plays in the AL. For someone who claims to watch baseball, you sure don't know **** about it.

I just assumed that wouldn't matter to you. After all, he misses a bunch of games and you say "So what?" Well, he missed a bunch of NL games, so what?

Posted by MikeT23 on 9/27/2017 2:45:00 PM (view original):
I just assumed that wouldn't matter to you. After all, he misses a bunch of games and you say "So what?" Well, he missed a bunch of NL games, so what?

No, I think it's pretty easy to distinguish between the two scenarios.

Posted by bad_luck on 9/27/2017 2:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 9/27/2017 2:45:00 PM (view original):
I just assumed that wouldn't matter to you. After all, he misses a bunch of games and you say "So what?" Well, he missed a bunch of NL games, so what?

No, I think it's pretty easy to distinguish between the two scenarios.

But maybe it isn't for you???

I mean, you did think that the government could eliminate the deficit by issuing more debt.

Others have won an MVP with fewer PAs than Trout has this season. Not saying he necessarily deserves it, but there is precedent.