Posted by Jtpsops on 9/27/2017 4:37:00 PM (view original):
Others have won an MVP with fewer PAs than Trout has this season. Not saying he necessarily deserves it, but there is precedent.

Yah, but most of those were pitchers

Posted by toddcommish on 9/27/2017 7:27:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Jtpsops on 9/27/2017 4:37:00 PM (view original):
Others have won an MVP with fewer PAs than Trout has this season. Not saying he necessarily deserves it, but there is precedent.

Yah, but most of those were pitchers

Which means some were hitters.

Do you need a lesson on the difference between "most" and "all"?

Posted by bad_luck on 9/27/2017 2:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 9/27/2017 2:45:00 PM (view original):
I just assumed that wouldn't matter to you. After all, he misses a bunch of games and you say "So what?" Well, he missed a bunch of NL games, so what?

No, I think it's pretty easy to distinguish between the two scenarios.

Want some HD tips?

Posted by MikeT23 on 9/28/2017 1:47:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 9/27/2017 2:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 9/27/2017 2:45:00 PM (view original):
I just assumed that wouldn't matter to you. After all, he misses a bunch of games and you say "So what?" Well, he missed a bunch of NL games, so what?

No, I think it's pretty easy to distinguish between the two scenarios.

Want some HD tips?

Sub-.500 in Rupp with one NT appearance? I think I'll pass.

You sure?

#8 California, San Diego

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Posted by MikeT23 on 10/1/2017 6:14:00 PM (view original):
You sure?

#8 California, San Diego

11-2

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bad_luck

4-4

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Yep, I'm sure. Please hold on to that 6 point home win. I'm sure it will be the highlight of your season.

Oh hey look, we're both one seeds. I'm still #1 in RPI.

Posted by Jtpsops on 9/21/2017 12:58:00 PM (view original):

Posted by sjpoker on 9/21/2017 7:28:00 AM (view original):
If Colorado makes it to the postseason, Arenado should get it. The guy has been a beast at third and is probably one of the top 5-10 hitters in baseball. Even BL's WAR tells us he's a top player at the plate and in the field. I really like Goldschmidt, but he's still a first basemen.

I'm getting so tired of stuff like this. Arenado is a very good player, but he's a product of Coors offensively.

2017
Home: 307 PA, .330/.386/.634, 17 HR, 72 RBI
Away: 335 PA, .281/.350/.528, 17 HR, 53 RBI

Career
Home: 1500 PA, .312/.362/.592, 83 HR, 310 RBI
Away: 1484 PA, .265/.316/.472, 62 HR, 191 RBI

Those are some stark differences. He's a great defender, and a very good hitter. But there's no way in hell he's a top 5-10 hitter in the game without Coors Field.

I'm really tired of the argument that players have some sort of unfair advantage playing in Coors Field. It's almost like they're treated as roiders.

Almost every stadium in MLB is geared towards offense. Coors Field is a sanctioned stadium by Major League Baseball.

Why isn't there an outcry against Red Sox, Phillies, Reds, and Rangers players???

Posted by Jtpsops on 9/21/2017 2:29:00 PM (view original):
There's a big difference between tailoring your swing/ABs to take advantage of a parks dimensions or quirks (like the Green Monster), and playing in a park where the atmosphere itself greatly enhances hitting. A player does not have to do anything out of the ordinary with his approach in order to take advantage of Coors Field.

The Rockies were 21st in total team homeruns this year. Any other evidence you'd like to see?

RK	TEAM	GP	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	TB	RBI	AVG	OBP	SLG	OPS
1	NY Yankees	162	5594	858	1463	266	23	241	2498	821	.262	.339	.447	.785
2	Houston	162	5611	896	1581	346	20	238	2681	854	.282	.346	.478	.823
3	Texas	162	5430	799	1326	255	21	237	2334	756	.244	.320	.430	.750
4	Oakland	162	5464	739	1344	305	15	234	2381	708	.246	.319	.436	.755
5	Baltimore	162	5650	743	1469	269	12	232	2458	713	.260	.312	.435	.747
6	Tampa Bay	162	5478	694	1340	226	32	228	2314	671	.245	.317	.422	.739
7	Milwaukee	162	5467	732	1363	267	22	224	2346	695	.249	.322	.429	.751
8	NY Mets	162	5510	735	1379	286	28	224	2393	713	.250	.320	.434	.755
9	Chicago Cubs	162	5496	822	1402	274	29	223	2403	785	.255	.338	.437	.775
10	Toronto	162	5499	693	1320	269	5	222	2265	661	.240	.312	.412	.724
11	LA Dodgers	162	5408	770	1347	312	20	221	2362	730	.249	.334	.437	.771
12	Arizona	162	5525	812	1405	314	39	220	2457	776	.254	.329	.445	.774
13	Cincinnati	162	5484	753	1390	249	38	219	2372	715	.253	.329	.433	.761
14	Washington	162	5553	819	1477	311	31	215	2495	796	.266	.332	.449	.782
15	Cleveland	162	5511	818	1449	333	29	212	2476	780	.263	.339	.449	.788
16	Minnesota	162	5557	815	1443	286	31	206	2409	781	.260	.334	.434	.767
17	Seattle	162	5551	750	1436	281	17	200	2351	714	.259	.325	.424	.749
18	St. Louis	162	5470	761	1402	284	28	196	2330	728	.256	.334	.426	.760
19	Miami	162	5602	778	1497	271	31	194	2412	743	.267	.331	.431	.761
20	Kansas City	162	5536	702	1436	260	24	193	2323	660	.259	.311	.420	.731
21	Colorado	162	5534	824	1510	293	38	192	2455	793	.273	.338	.444	.781
22	San Diego	162	5356	604	1251	227	31	189	2107	576	.234	.299	.393	.692
23	Detroit	162	5556	735	1435	289	35	187	2355	699	.258	.324	.424	.748
24	LA Angels	162	5415	710	1314	251	14	186	2151	678	.243	.315	.397	.712
25	Chicago Sox	162	5513	706	1412	256	37	186	2300	670	.256	.314	.417	.731
26	Philadelphia	162	5535	690	1382	287	36	174	2263	654	.250	.315	.409	.723
27	Boston	162	5669	785	1461	302	19	168	2305	735	.258	.329	.407	.736
28	Atlanta	162	5584	732	1467	289	26	165	2303	706	.263	.326	.412	.738
29	Pittsburgh	162	5458	668	1331	249	36	151	2105	635	.244	.318	.386	.704
30	San Francisco	162	5551	639	1382	290	28	128	2112	612	.249	.309	.380	.689

You going to make the opposite argument for Giants players that they have an unfair advantage playing at AT&T Park and their numbers are significantly diminished and we're supposed to hypothetically add statistics to adjust for home park?

Stop with the Coors Field nonsense.

The Astros lead the league in Runs Scored, Hits, 2B, Total Bases, RBI, BA, OBP, SLG, and OPS. They were second in Homeruns to the Yankees.

Please explain how Minute Maid Park provides Astros hitters an unfair advantage and we shouldn't take Jose Altuve's numbers seriously...

Hurry it's almost halftime!

Jose Altuve away from Minute Maid Park - .381/.449/.633, 13 SB, 3 CS

Nolan Arenado away from Coors Field - .283/.355/.531, 3 SB, 1 CS

With his defense, I think it's fair to say that Arenado's away line is good enough for serious MVP consideration. OTOH, I think Blackmon's away stats aren't nearly good enough to merit serious consideration.

Take into consideration that the Rockies play in the NL west and their road games are in 3 of the toughest hitters parks in MLB shouldn't road stats be diminished anyways?

To me Arenado was the most valuable to his team.