NL MVP Topic

Posted by bad_luck on 10/11/2017 6:59:00 PM (view original):
And, logically, had the BBWAA known people would try to twist the word valuable so that they could argue that the MVP was actually a lesser player on a good team, they certainly would have called the award something like Most Outstanding Player.

It makes zero sense to give the MVP award to a player who wasn't actually the best.
LOL.

If you had the slightest bit of self-awareness, you would see how retarded it is for both you and the Perfessor to get hung up on dictionary definitions of a word.

Everybody is laughing at the two of you.

10/11/2017 7:37 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 10/11/2017 7:27:00 PM (view original):
Let's get ridiculous.

Player A played on a team that went 100-62. He missed 2 of the losses but played every other game.

In every win he went 0-4.
In every loss he went 4-4 with a homerun.

So he hit .375/.375/.650ish with 60 home runs.

But he didn't actually help his team win a single game.

Player B played on a team that went 70-92 and missed he playoffs by 14 games. He put up slightly worse numbers but his production was distributed normally throughout the season. He certainly helped his team win games.

Who was more valuable?
Player A obviously. He had the better stats and his team won. He wins by either standard.

You made that really easy.
10/11/2017 7:49 PM
Not sure why you're playing BLs reindeer games.
10/11/2017 8:08 PM
Posted by Jtpsops on 10/11/2017 7:49:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 10/11/2017 7:27:00 PM (view original):
Let's get ridiculous.

Player A played on a team that went 100-62. He missed 2 of the losses but played every other game.

In every win he went 0-4.
In every loss he went 4-4 with a homerun.

So he hit .375/.375/.650ish with 60 home runs.

But he didn't actually help his team win a single game.

Player B played on a team that went 70-92 and missed he playoffs by 14 games. He put up slightly worse numbers but his production was distributed normally throughout the season. He certainly helped his team win games.

Who was more valuable?
Player A obviously. He had the better stats and his team won. He wins by either standard.

You made that really easy.
But he didn't actually help his team win any games.
10/11/2017 8:28 PM
Posted by sjpoker on 10/11/2017 8:08:00 PM (view original):
Not sure why you're playing BLs reindeer games.
It’s fun pointing out his stupidity. Like when he admitted he wouldn’t vote the best players MVP despite his “best = most valuable” mantra
10/11/2017 8:28 PM
Is PSBL proposing that voters should look at individual box scores for candidates before they vote?
10/11/2017 8:51 PM
Posted by Jtpsops on 10/11/2017 7:00:00 PM (view original):
No one is making it out to be a team award - that's all you and BL. The production of a player who's contributions get his team to the playoffs is more valuable than the equal/slightly greater production of a hitter who's team still loses with him. Not sure why you can't grasp that.

Using 2017 specifically, Joey Votto has vetoed trades in the last couple years. It's not like anyone is forcing him to stay with a ****** team - he's chosen to be there.
You're contradicting yourself.

If a player effectively gets bonus points for playing on a playoff team, it's moving toward being a team award. There's no way you can talk your way around that. You're giving credit for being on a better team. It's not an individual award at that point.
10/11/2017 8:55 PM
Posted by dahsdebater on 10/11/2017 8:55:00 PM (view original):
Posted by Jtpsops on 10/11/2017 7:00:00 PM (view original):
No one is making it out to be a team award - that's all you and BL. The production of a player who's contributions get his team to the playoffs is more valuable than the equal/slightly greater production of a hitter who's team still loses with him. Not sure why you can't grasp that.

Using 2017 specifically, Joey Votto has vetoed trades in the last couple years. It's not like anyone is forcing him to stay with a ****** team - he's chosen to be there.
You're contradicting yourself.

If a player effectively gets bonus points for playing on a playoff team, it's moving toward being a team award. There's no way you can talk your way around that. You're giving credit for being on a better team. It's not an individual award at that point.
Nope. I’m factoring in contributions to team success.

Player A: .330/.420/.515 Team - 70-92
Player B: .320/.415/.500 Team - 88-74 (won WC by 1 game)
Player C: .330/.435/.485. Team - 97-65 (won division by 10 games)

Player C has the best team but I’d vote for Player B.
10/11/2017 9:05 PM
Posted by Jtpsops on 10/11/2017 9:05:00 PM (view original):
Posted by dahsdebater on 10/11/2017 8:55:00 PM (view original):
Posted by Jtpsops on 10/11/2017 7:00:00 PM (view original):
No one is making it out to be a team award - that's all you and BL. The production of a player who's contributions get his team to the playoffs is more valuable than the equal/slightly greater production of a hitter who's team still loses with him. Not sure why you can't grasp that.

Using 2017 specifically, Joey Votto has vetoed trades in the last couple years. It's not like anyone is forcing him to stay with a ****** team - he's chosen to be there.
You're contradicting yourself.

If a player effectively gets bonus points for playing on a playoff team, it's moving toward being a team award. There's no way you can talk your way around that. You're giving credit for being on a better team. It's not an individual award at that point.
Nope. I’m factoring in contributions to team success.

Player A: .330/.420/.515 Team - 70-92
Player B: .320/.415/.500 Team - 88-74 (won WC by 1 game)
Player C: .330/.435/.485. Team - 97-65 (won division by 10 games)

Player C has the best team but I’d vote for Player B.
You picked arguably the worst player.
10/11/2017 9:14 PM
I get to determine, remember?

Tell us again how you voted for Votto even though he wasn’t the best and you don’t vote based on offense.
10/11/2017 9:40 PM
Remove the team records, do you still think B was the best of the three?
10/11/2017 10:03 PM
Posted by Jtpsops on 10/11/2017 9:05:00 PM (view original):
Posted by dahsdebater on 10/11/2017 8:55:00 PM (view original):
Posted by Jtpsops on 10/11/2017 7:00:00 PM (view original):
No one is making it out to be a team award - that's all you and BL. The production of a player who's contributions get his team to the playoffs is more valuable than the equal/slightly greater production of a hitter who's team still loses with him. Not sure why you can't grasp that.

Using 2017 specifically, Joey Votto has vetoed trades in the last couple years. It's not like anyone is forcing him to stay with a ****** team - he's chosen to be there.
You're contradicting yourself.

If a player effectively gets bonus points for playing on a playoff team, it's moving toward being a team award. There's no way you can talk your way around that. You're giving credit for being on a better team. It's not an individual award at that point.
Nope. I’m factoring in contributions to team success.

Player A: .330/.420/.515 Team - 70-92
Player B: .320/.415/.500 Team - 88-74 (won WC by 1 game)
Player C: .330/.435/.485. Team - 97-65 (won division by 10 games)

Player C has the best team but I’d vote for Player B.
So they key to being the MVP is finding teammates who are good but not too good? And that doesn't bother you?

Take a step back for a moment and ask yourself this question. Ignore the definition of valuable. Ignore the name of the award. This is the most prestigious award given in Major League Baseball. Would you rather see it given to the player who did the most positive things on the field, or the player whose team won 88 games?

Player A in the scenario above has clearly had the best hitting season. If we assume baserunning and defense are equal, he had the best year. He worked hard for decades of his life to achieve that. Would you really rather reward Player B for being on a team that happened to be about a .500 team without him than reward Player A for all of his effort to make himself the best player in the league this year? Again, ignore the name of the award and any semantics. What do you think deserves to be rewarded with the most sought-after player award in baseball?
10/11/2017 10:18 PM
They’re close enough, so yes, I’d rather vote Player B. As I said previously, if there’s a player head and shoulders more productive than the rest, he gets my vote. If it’s close, I give the nod to the guy whose production made the biggest difference for his team. Not sure what’s so difficult about that for you. You’re not changing anyone’s mind.
10/11/2017 10:36 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 10/5/2017 12:36:00 PM (view original):
It seems like, in mike/tec/sj/whoever world that a player is only the MVP if he falls into a narrow category of players who:

Are really good
Have really good teammates
But the teammates can't be too good

Jtps MVP philosophy
10/11/2017 10:40 PM
Why do you think the award isn't named "Most Bestest Player"?
10/11/2017 10:45 PM
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