Posted by bad_luck on 10/3/2017 12:25:00 PM (view original):
Rendon and Stanton were the best players in the NL this year when you factor in all three--hitting, fielding, base running plus the position they play and the ballparks they played in. Yes, that's WAR.

If you're only looking at offense, Votto is the winner.

If you're retarded and don't understand that most valuable=best, then some other player from a playoff team probably gets your vote.

Most valuable does not equal best.

Posted by bad_luck on 10/3/2017 6:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 10/3/2017 5:54:00 PM (view original):
I can't believe we're having this argument again. If deciding who was the MVP is as simple as you say, why do they have a vote? If I am a multi-millionaire and someone offers me $100 its not all that valuable to me. If I have $200 to my name and some offers me $100 than that $100 is very valuable to me. Value is relative, and value is different to different people.

Value is not relative. The value of your home is X, regardless of your net worth. The value of a $100 bill is $100, regardless of your net worth.

Value is always relative. If I offer a nice fresh refrigerator box for bronxcheer to live in, it has GREAT value, whereas to the rest of us, it's just a piece of cardboard.

If MikeT has a signed Derek Jeter jockstrap, it has GREAT value to him, whereas to the rest of us non-Jeter-jock-sniffers, it's gross.

If a top player is on a top team with other exceptional players, what is his net added value versus a top player on a mediocre team? Value is very relative when discussing MVPs. And it's ridiculous to argue to the contrary.

Posted by toddcommish on 10/3/2017 7:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 10/3/2017 6:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 10/3/2017 5:54:00 PM (view original):
I can't believe we're having this argument again. If deciding who was the MVP is as simple as you say, why do they have a vote? If I am a multi-millionaire and someone offers me $100 its not all that valuable to me. If I have $200 to my name and some offers me $100 than that $100 is very valuable to me. Value is relative, and value is different to different people.

Value is not relative. The value of your home is X, regardless of your net worth. The value of a $100 bill is $100, regardless of your net worth.

Value is always relative. If I offer a nice fresh refrigerator box for bronxcheer to live in, it has GREAT value, whereas to the rest of us, it's just a piece of cardboard.

If MikeT has a signed Derek Jeter jockstrap, it has GREAT value to him, whereas to the rest of us non-Jeter-jock-sniffers, it's gross.

The value of both of those things is the same regardless of who owns them.

Posted by bad_luck on 10/3/2017 7:33:00 PM (view original):

Posted by toddcommish on 10/3/2017 7:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 10/3/2017 6:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 10/3/2017 5:54:00 PM (view original):
I can't believe we're having this argument again. If deciding who was the MVP is as simple as you say, why do they have a vote? If I am a multi-millionaire and someone offers me $100 its not all that valuable to me. If I have $200 to my name and some offers me $100 than that $100 is very valuable to me. Value is relative, and value is different to different people.

Value is not relative. The value of your home is X, regardless of your net worth. The value of a $100 bill is $100, regardless of your net worth.

Value is always relative. If I offer a nice fresh refrigerator box for bronxcheer to live in, it has GREAT value, whereas to the rest of us, it's just a piece of cardboard.

If MikeT has a signed Derek Jeter jockstrap, it has GREAT value to him, whereas to the rest of us non-Jeter-jock-sniffers, it's gross.

The value of both of those things is the same regardless of who owns them.

Wrong. And you keep being wrong. The amazing thing is that you are almost never right, which is hard to do.

Posted by toddcommish on 10/3/2017 7:36:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 10/3/2017 7:33:00 PM (view original):

Posted by toddcommish on 10/3/2017 7:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 10/3/2017 6:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 10/3/2017 5:54:00 PM (view original):
I can't believe we're having this argument again. If deciding who was the MVP is as simple as you say, why do they have a vote? If I am a multi-millionaire and someone offers me $100 its not all that valuable to me. If I have $200 to my name and some offers me $100 than that $100 is very valuable to me. Value is relative, and value is different to different people.

Value is not relative. The value of your home is X, regardless of your net worth. The value of a $100 bill is $100, regardless of your net worth.

Value is always relative. If I offer a nice fresh refrigerator box for bronxcheer to live in, it has GREAT value, whereas to the rest of us, it's just a piece of cardboard.

If MikeT has a signed Derek Jeter jockstrap, it has GREAT value to him, whereas to the rest of us non-Jeter-jock-sniffers, it's gross.

The value of both of those things is the same regardless of who owns them.

Wrong. And you keep being wrong. The amazing thing is that you are almost never right, which is hard to do.

The dictionary says he's right and you're wrong. We're not going to talk you out of believing what you want to believe, but again, there is an objective answer here. The refrigerator box, in like new condition, is worth about $10. The jock is probably worth more than we'd like to admit at auction. But those numbers are what they are. Value is intrinsic by definition. It is not situational. Value has no context. Again, not just my take, it's the dictionary definition.

Oh, are we looking at the dictionary to determine who the MVP is?

What if Merriam-Webster picks one guy, but dictionary.com picks another? Who wins?

Posted by bad_luck on 10/3/2017 12:45:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 10/3/2017 12:42:00 PM (view original):
most valuable + best in your opinion. Not every one shares your opinion. If the player in the league is on a last place team, how valuable was he? The team could finish last without him.

The best player in the league is always the most valuable player.

I do so love when you speak in absolutes. It highlights your massive stupidity.

Posted by tecwrg on 10/3/2017 9:06:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 10/3/2017 12:45:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 10/3/2017 12:42:00 PM (view original):
most valuable + best in your opinion. Not every one shares your opinion. If the player in the league is on a last place team, how valuable was he? The team could finish last without him.

The best player in the league is always the most valuable player.

I do so love when you speak in absolutes. It highlights your massive stupidity.

I'm not saying the best player is always the one who gets the award. But the best player was always the most valuable.

There you go again!

Posted by bad_luck on 10/3/2017 7:33:00 PM (view original):

Posted by toddcommish on 10/3/2017 7:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 10/3/2017 6:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 10/3/2017 5:54:00 PM (view original):
I can't believe we're having this argument again. If deciding who was the MVP is as simple as you say, why do they have a vote? If I am a multi-millionaire and someone offers me $100 its not all that valuable to me. If I have $200 to my name and some offers me $100 than that $100 is very valuable to me. Value is relative, and value is different to different people.

Value is not relative. The value of your home is X, regardless of your net worth. The value of a $100 bill is $100, regardless of your net worth.

Value is always relative. If I offer a nice fresh refrigerator box for bronxcheer to live in, it has GREAT value, whereas to the rest of us, it's just a piece of cardboard.

If MikeT has a signed Derek Jeter jockstrap, it has GREAT value to him, whereas to the rest of us non-Jeter-jock-sniffers, it's gross.

The value of both of those things is the same regardless of who owns them.

So the same tax rate is equal to whoever is paying it?

I believe the most valuable IS the best player in the league. I don’t care if 1 and 2 in voting are on the same team. And offense has a huge factor to it.

Posted by tecwrg on 10/3/2017 9:18:00 PM (view original):
There you go again!

Well, yeah. It's true.

Posted by bad_luck on 10/3/2017 9:27:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 10/3/2017 9:18:00 PM (view original):
There you go again!

Well, yeah. It's true.

LOL.

PSBL.

In 1988 Kirk Gibson was not the best player in the league. However he was the most valuable. And he won MVP. And rightly so.