Look at that, Nolan Arenado can hit away from Coors Field!!!

Posted by bad_luck on 10/4/2017 11:14:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by bad_luck on 10/4/2017 10:12:00 PM (view original):
The $10 might be worth more to the homeless guy than the $20 to the billionaire, but the $20 is still more valuable. The homeless guy would trade bills every time.

Let's play off of this example.

Which is more valuable? The two run walk-off homer in the bottom of the ninth that turns a 1-0 deficit into a 2-1 victory, or the grand slam in the top of the ninth that turns a 10-0 lead into a 14-0 lead?

The grand slam is always worth more than a two run homer.

Now that I've answered your question 3 times, is there ever a situation where you would rather have a two run homer instead of a grand slam?

Yes. In the example in this post, dumbass.

That's weird, you'd rather have a two run homer than a grand slam in a one-run game???

The grand slam in the example was not hit in a one run game.

Another failed attempt to deflect by you.

There are times when a two run homer is more valuable than a grand slam. Things do not happen in a vacuum. Situations matter. Just as on a larger scale, context matters when discussing MVP. The "best season" may not necessarily be "most valuable ". Only a stubborn, narrow minded person who doesn't understand the game would insist that it is.

A two run homer is never more valuable than a grand slam.

Posted by toddcommish on 10/4/2017 2:35:00 AM (view original):

Posted by dahsdebater on 10/4/2017 1:10:00 AM (view original):
You're right, value and worth are not the same thing. And you somehow switched them in your head. Value is intrinsic, worth is extrinsic.

Did you know that having (monetary, intrinsic) value and having (practical, useful) value aren't the same thing? A stick has very little monetary value, but can have a very practical value if a snake is attacking you.

BadLuck and Dahs conveniently ignored this post, because it pointed out how ******* stupid they are.

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Posted by sjpoker on 10/4/2017 10:01:00 PM (view original):
God...

One players production may be more important to his team than another players production to a different team even if the second player was more productive than the first. It's relative.

Except value isn't relative.

In fact it's really simple. Does value exist outside of human consciousness? It does not. It's relative.

If that's true, then there are situations where a $10 bill is more valuable than a $20.

Are there?

If I'm at the table and I'm up 5 grand, if I'm getting up and tipping the dealer $20 is pretty trivial. It doesn't hold a lot of value to me at that point.

When I was at a down time in my life and didn't have a lot of money, $10 was five meals.

The $10 at that point was worth 30 times the $20 that I tip the dealer with.

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Posted by dahsdebater on 10/4/2017 1:10:00 AM (view original):
You're right, value and worth are not the same thing. And you somehow switched them in your head. Value is intrinsic, worth is extrinsic.

Did you know that having (monetary, intrinsic) value and having (practical, useful) value aren't the same thing? A stick has very little monetary value, but can have a very practical value if a snake is attacking you.

BadLuck and Dahs conveniently ignored this post, because it pointed out how ******* stupid they are.

I can only think they are on the spectrum.

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Posted by bad_luck on 10/4/2017 10:10:00 PM (view original):
I hate analogies but let's try one that has been used before.

A homeless guy has a $10 bill in his pocket.
A billionaire has a $20 bill in his pocket.

Which bill is more valuable?

The $20. It's always more valuable than the $10, no matter what.

You're swimming in a river. You're thirsty. I hand you a glass of water.
You're crawling across a desert. You're thirsty. I hand you a glass of water.

Do you value that glass of water the same?

I'm dying of thirst in the desert. You have a small canteen full of water and a large canteen full of water. Is the small canteen ever more valuable?

Do you intend to answer every question with a question when the answer is obvious?

Nevermind. Of course you will. It's what you do when you're wrong.

Jeez dude. There isn't just one glass of water in this twisted analogy. There are 750ish glasses of water. You certainly wouldn't argue that a small one is the most valuable glass.

There is one glass. Can't you read? Or is comprehension a problem?

"I hand you a glass of water."

But it doesn't work in this context. If you're picking a most valuable water glass and there's only one glass, that glass wins every time because there are no other glasses to get votes.

It works in the CONTEXT of what an INDIVIDUAL would find MOST VALUABLE.

Thirsty in a river, a glass of water is meaningless.
Thirsty in a desert, a glass of water is more valuable than a truckload of $100 bills at that moment.
Did you notice how a glass of water has different value based on the situation?

Now, if you're capable of learning, you can apply value to other situations.

Posted by bad_luck on 10/4/2017 11:28:00 PM (view original):
A two run homer is never more valuable than a grand slam.

You're walking down the beach one day, and you come across what looks to be a shiny bottle sticking out of the sand. You pick it up, rub it to clean off the sand, and a genie pops out. The genie thanks you for freeing him from the bottle and grants you one wish, but it can be only be used under the following circumstance and with one of two choices:

You'll be signed by a major league baseball team and be allowed one and only one ML plate appearance. You can choose between:

1) You can hit a walk-off two run homer on the final day of the baseball season to put your team into the playoffs.

2) You can hit a grand slam with your team ahead 10-0 in the ninth inning in a mid-September game when your team is 17 games behind in the standings and eliminated from playoff contention.

Which would you choose? And why? Please use the word "value" in your answer.

Does hitting the grand slam put me in the record books forever? Grand slam in 1st ever AB

Posted by bronxcheer on 10/5/2017 6:53:00 AM (view original):
Does hitting the grand slam put me in the record books forever? Grand slam in 1st ever AB

^STOP!!!!!!

Adding conditions to tec's senario is only going to confuse BL!!!!!! He evaluates things in a vacuum, so you adding this could completely **** him up.

Goldy is still gonna win MVP btw

LOL. Do you think that's the topic?

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Posted by sjpoker on 10/4/2017 10:01:00 PM (view original):
God...

One players production may be more important to his team than another players production to a different team even if the second player was more productive than the first. It's relative.

Except value isn't relative.

In fact it's really simple. Does value exist outside of human consciousness? It does not. It's relative.

If that's true, then there are situations where a $10 bill is more valuable than a $20.

Are there?

If I'm at the table and I'm up 5 grand, if I'm getting up and tipping the dealer $20 is pretty trivial. It doesn't hold a lot of value to me at that point.

When I was at a down time in my life and didn't have a lot of money, $10 was five meals.

The $10 at that point was worth 30 times the $20 that I tip the dealer with.

But when you were down in life, $20 was still more valuable than $10.

Posted by MikeT23 on 10/5/2017 9:13:00 AM (view original):
LOL. Do you think that's the topic?

This new topic sucks ***. Talk about something not stupid

Posted by Got_Worms on 10/4/2017 11:23:00 PM (view original):
Look at that, Nolan Arenado can hit away from Coors Field!!!

Power plays in most places. 1-4 = .250. About right for his road BA.