My minimum is 25 per set.

I'd like to see results if people try 50 minutes per set.
Please post the results here. Amount of minutes it takes to get to various grades; B, B+, A-

It should only take 600 minutes to get from F to B-. That would be 12 practices @ 50 min, or the end of non-conf play.
I'd expect a majority of the guys that started at F to reach A- by the conference tourney if there are minimal diminishing returns. Should reach A+ just after the middle of season 2 (roughly 54 practices).

Be careful of the guys with low WE and low high school gpa that take 50% longer. So one of these guys may not see an A- until mid season two.

As for using all 130 minutes in one set to improve six times faster, my practice plan doesn't allow 3 digits for any set, so I'm not able to test this theory.

Posted by oldwarrior on 9/30/2017 7:50:00 PM (view original):
I'd like to see results if people try 50 minutes per set.
Please post the results here. Amount of minutes it takes to get to various grades; B, B+, A-

It should only take 600 minutes to get from F to B-. That would be 12 practices @ 50 min, or the end of non-conf play.
I'd expect a majority of the guys that started at F to reach A- by the conference tourney if there are minimal diminishing returns. Should reach A+ just after the middle of season 2 (roughly 54 practices).

Be careful of the guys with low WE and low high school gpa that take 50% longer. So one of these guys may not see an A- until mid season two.

As for using all 130 minutes in one set to improve six times faster, my practice plan doesn't allow 3 digits for any set, so I'm not able to test this theory.

It would be fascinating if somebody set up a test team with players all having F IQ, the same HS GPA but with varying WE...or even the opposite...then do 50 per set. That would be instructive.

Someone already did that.

Put 0 mins into IQ. Was probably 6-8 years ago.

Posted by mullycj on 9/30/2017 9:23:00 PM (view original):
Someone already did that.

Put 0 mins into IQ. Was probably 6-8 years ago.

I remember that. His ID was 'robotdevil,' which was an alt ID, and he wouldn't say what his regular ID was which caused a hissy fit on the forums and him ultimately abandoning his experiment. He built D3 teams that were insanely good and he couldn't get out of the 2nd round of the tourney ever, presumably because he had D or worse IQs across the board.

I must have missed that.

I just ran a test with two teams using different practice minutes. One team was set to 30 minutes offense, 20 minutes defense. The other 20 minutes offense, 30 minutes defense.

When comparing the amount of time it took players to improve the same letter grade by the same players:
at 20 minutes; 284 practices 5680 minutes
at 30 minutes; 226 practices 6780 minutes

that folks is diminishing returns.
The tradeoff of quicker improvement shows I lost about 20% of the extra ten minutes.

This explains why the 80 minutes assigned to my player has resulted in only a 3 point gain :(

Posted by oldwarrior on 12/8/2017 9:46:00 AM (view original):
I just ran a test with two teams using different practice minutes. One team was set to 30 minutes offense, 20 minutes defense. The other 20 minutes offense, 30 minutes defense.

When comparing the amount of time it took players to improve the same letter grade by the same players:
at 20 minutes; 284 practices 5680 minutes
at 30 minutes; 226 practices 6780 minutes

that folks is diminishing returns.
The tradeoff of quicker improvement shows I lost about 20% of the extra ten minutes.

So, the sweet spot then is somewhere between 20 and 30?

Is IQ more important than core ratings at D1 for incoming freshman?

23 is my sweet spot

D2/D3 recruits often come in with low ratings but loads of potential, an easy 200+ gain over their careers. I generally try to keep the OFF/DEF practice minutes to around 20 for those teams. So they remain dumb in the sets, but can frequently improve 100 points that first season.

As you get to higher D1, with better recruits with less potential, I often go 25-30 minutes of OFF/DEF. I don't know if they "need" higher IQ to compete at D1, but since overall potential is less, I try to improve the IQ's quicker in D1. A guy that may improve 100 points with 90 minutes of individual practice, might still improve 60-70 points with 20 fewer minutes.

the original Admin said you don't really notice a drop off until 25+ minutes.
So from my example, with a 20% loss between 20 to 30 minutes, it's probably speeds up a bit quicker over 25 minutes. Not a straight lineal drop but more of a curve.
ie minutes 21-25 lose 10%, minutes 26-30 lose 30%.

I have heard an incredibly successful high DI coach says he uses 30.

I use 25 because a successful user told me to. Gets everyone to at least B- by the NT.