{EDIT: both these teams will get very high draft picks for the 1986 rookie draft. See my separate post below.}

Two teams are available (Detroit Tigers and Minnesota Twins) in the Franchise With Farm System progressive, going into 1986. I'll paste below how the current rosters project to next season (1986). Each team gets 25 keepers, but that includes any rookies from the real-life 1986 Tigers/Twins that you want to keep. Every season, you get to keep the real-life Tigers/Twins WIS rookies among your 25 keepers. Both have a lot of talent with several good seasons left- Whitaker, Trammell, Kirk Gibson, Howard Johnson, Lance Parrish, Jack Morris for the Tigers; Puckett, Viola, Jimmy Key, Gaetti, others for the Twins. Both are in a division (AL East) that hasn't been very tough lately in this progressive - the current 1985 division leader is below .500, and the Tigers won it in 1984 with only 87 wins.

We usually get the next draft started as soon as the regular season ends. This season, that will be Monday Oct. 30. If you claim the team before then, I'll give you forum access and you can start talking trades if you want. The draft has waived players, plus rookies from the 6 unclaimed franchises (Yankees, Blue Jays, Indians, Giants, Padres, and Brewers). Those franchises have a stronger than usual rookie class this coming offseason.

Sitemail me and post here if you want the team or have questions.

1986 Detroit Tigers available players (get to keep 25, out of 28 listed here):

		C	1986 Lance Parrish	R	374	327	22	62	0-0	83-38	14.9	.257	.340	.483	B/A	$3,437,429
		1B	1986 Jason Thompson	L	70	52	0	4	0-1	12-18	51.0	.196	.406	.275	C/D	$221,057
		2B	1986 Lou Whitaker	L	651	584	20	73	13-8	70-63	29.2	.269	.338	.437	B/A-	$5,195,817
		3B	1986 Buddy Bell	R	655	568	20	75	2-8	49-73	28.4	.278	.362	.445	A/C	$4,938,042
		SS	1986 Alan Trammell	R	653	574	21	75	25-12	57-59	27.3	.277	.347	.469	B/A-	$5,759,586
		OF	1986 Kirk Gibson	L	521	441	28	86	34-6	107-68	15.8	.268	.371	.492	A-/D	$3,708,566
		OF	1986 Glenn Wilson	R	643	588	15	84	5-1	91-42	38.9	.271	.319	.413	B+/B-	$4,402,660
		OF	1986 Ben Oglivie	L	387	349	5	53	1-2	33-30	69.2	.283	.334	.390	A/C+	$2,490,674
		3B	1986 Chris Brown	R	463	416	7	49	13-9	43-33	59.4	.317	.376	.421	C-/C-	$3,264,391
		3B	1986 Howard Johnson	S	253	220	10	39	8-1	64-31	22.0	.245	.341	.445	D/D-	$1,422,694
		OF	1986 Carmen Castillo	R	217	205	8	32	2-1	48-9	25.6	.278	.310	.439	D/D	$1,048,151
		C	1986 Dwight Lowry	L	174	150	3	18	0-0	19-17	50.0	.307	.392	.393	B+/C	$1,270,956
		C	1986 Bob Melvin	R	289	268	5	25	3-2	69-15	53.6	.224	.262	.347	B/A-	$2,282,441
		3B	1986 Darnell Coles	R	587	521	20	86	6-2	84-45	26.1	.273	.333	.453	C/B+	$3,867,645

		SP	1986 Jack Morris	R	21-8-0	267	3.27	.229	1.16	7.52	2.76	1.35	223-82	$6,765,887
		SP/RP	1986 Dan Petry	R	5-10-0	116	4.66	.268	1.51	4.34	4.11	1.16	56-53	$1,949,895
		SP/RP	1986 Eric King	R	11-4-3	139	3.51	.216	1.24	5.14	4.10	0.72	79-63	$3,555,246
		SP/RP	1986 Randy O'Neal	R	3-7-2	123	4.33	.260	1.35	4.99	3.23	0.95	68-44	$2,508,367
		SP/RP	1986 Ron Romanick	R	5-8-0	107	5.50	.297	1.58	3.22	3.72	1.10	38-44	$1,563,709
		SP/RP	1986 Tim Stoddard	R	5-4-0	95	3.80	.216	1.38	7.70	5.42	1.14	81-57	$2,152,761
		SP/RP	1986 Ray Fontenot	L	3-5-2	57	3.86	.266	1.39	3.86	3.38	0.80	24-21	$962,253
		SP/RP	1986 Donnie Moore	R	4-5-21	73	2.97	.228	1.13	6.56	2.73	1.24	53-22	$1,825,282
		SP/RP	1986 Chuck Cary	L	1-2-0	32	3.41	.273	1.52	5.97	4.26	0.85	21-15	$475,174
		SP/RP	1986 Greg Minton	R	4-4-5	69	3.93	.251	1.41	4.46	4.46	0.52	34-34	$1,437,832
		SP/RP	1986 Doug Bair	R	2-3-4	45	3.00	.224	1.22	8.00	3.60	1.00	40-18	$1,051,430
		SP/RP	1986 Joe Price	L	1-2-0	42	5.40	.293	1.70	6.48	4.75	1.08	30-22	$480,668
		SP/RP	1986 Al Holland	L	1-0-0	41	5.09	.268	1.30	8.19	1.99	1.11	37-9	$764,038

SP/RP

1986 Bert Roberge

R

0-4-1

29

6.28

.295

1.50

6.28

3.14

0.63

20-10

$376,368

Injured Reserve: Dan Driessen

Here are the league rules, pasted from an earlier thread and edited with the revisions:

League Rules:

Concept: Start with 20 of the real franchises and their 1977 rosters. In subsequent seasons, each franchise gets the rookies who really came up with that team. For example, Oakland gets Dwayne Murphy and others in 1978, Rickey Henderson and others in 1979, etc, eventually getting McGwire and Canseco... The rookies are assigned based on their first team during their first WIS-eligible season. This is a WIS version of mimicking the real-life farm systems for each franchise.

A player's WIS rookie season defines his first team. That makes it easier to identify the rookies, and also more likely to put a player on the team he was associated with for more of his career. {EDIT: Let's call this the Ryne Sandberg Rule, since he is a good example. Sandberg will belong to the Chicago Cubs, because his first season in WIS was with the Cubs (1982). His 13 games with the Phillies in 1981 do not affect this, since he does not have a WIS entry from 1981. If a player splits his WIS rookie season between two or more teams, he belongs to the franchise that he played his first game with during that WIS rookie season.}

Once a player belongs to a franchise, he stays with that franchise until being traded (in the sim) or cut... it is up to the owners here to be better general managers than their real-life counterparts.

Rookie Drafts: For the six franchises that are not claimed in 1977 (Padres, Giants, Indians, Blue Jays, Yankees, Brewers), their rookies are draft eligible. Obviously the rookie draft will never be very deep, since the rookies will only come from six franchises until the expansions of 1993 and beyond. Rookie draft order will be set by your franchise's sim winning percentage compared to its real-life winning percentage. If your team over-performs compared to real-life, it gets rewarded with better draft position. This should discourage tanking. Playoff teams drop to the bottom four spots of the draft order. {EDIT: Spots 1-16 in the draft are now serpentine, so whoever drafts #1 in the 1st round (and all odd numbered rounds) drafts #16 in the second (and even numbered) rounds. 17-20 remain the same, with the playoff teams, in each round.}

Keepers / Waivers: I'm thinking let everyone keep up to 25 players, using real players for AAA. The catch is that any player who is not on injured reserve (missing from the WIS database for that season) has to appear in at least 5 of your games, or he will be waived and put into the draft pool. So if a good prospect has a lousy season, you can't just park him in AAA the entire season… he has to at least make a few appearances. But it is up to individual owners to police this - if it is your turn to draft and you see that Cincinnati didn't let that crappy young 1970's Mario Soto into 5 or more games, go ahead and draft him! You get rewarded for doing your homework and finding a steal. {Edit: The 25 keeper limit includes rookies for the following season. If you are too late posting keepers, they will be assigned based on your player usage in the previous season, so we can get on with the draft. In that case, your keepers will be all your franchise's new rookies, and your returning players with the most (PA+IP) in the current (or recently concluded) sim season.}
{EDIT: If a team has multiple players who failed to get in five games but are listed as keepers, the owner can use his 1st round draft pick to draft them all. But he does have to wait his turn in the draft, hoping no one else drafts one of them first. }

Since there are not many quality players to choose from in each year's draft, the off-season should move very quickly… if you miss your time slot for the draft, we'll move on to the next owner, and you probably won't be missing out on a player who is worth complaining about anyway. The idea for this league came partly from frustration waiting for a normal progressive to move from season to season, and partly from realizing that sometimes life just gets in the way of doing these drafts.

Extra Pitching: One quirk I would like to include, but other owners can vote this down if it is too unpopular… each team will get one additional pitcher per season, randomly drawn from a pool of moderate-quality pre-1960 pitchers with around 100 IP and around $2.5-3.0 M salaries. The purpose is to bolster the balance of pitching versus offense, since all progressives I've been in have had ridiculous offensive stats. This gives every team one more competent pitcher for the bullpen, or a spot starter, but not someone you would build a team around. {EDIT: I've gradually lowered the quality of these pitchers, to around 100-120 IP and ~$2 M salary. Most teams don't even use them. I generally use them in Long B or Mopup reliever roles}

Hall of Fame: If enough owners are interested, we'll cast Hall of Fame ballots for players whose WIS careers have recently ended. I'll try to post career stats for candidates, merging pre-1977 real-life with the progressive's stats. But anyone can nominate a player. {EDIT: This hasn't been implemented yet. There wasn't much interest the first time I tried it, since we had only played a few seasons. Will probably try again after a few more seasons.}

Miscellaneous
- Four 5-team divisions, aligned similar to real life as much as possible.
- No salary cap
- No moving teams / ballparks until after 5 seasons (1981). After that, you can use your 1st round rookie draft pick to move to an available ballpark. But that only changes your ballpark, not your franchise name and available rookies. For example, if no one takes the NY Yankees when the league gets started, then someone can eventually move their franchise to Yankee Stadium. The Boston Red Sox could become the New York Red Sox (imagine that!), with Boggs, Clemens, etc coming up in the farm system. A team that has moved cannot move again for at least 5 seasons.
- DH in AL only
- Trades are mostly unrestricted, but subject to veto by 6 owners. Limit on trading draft picks or rookies too far out in the future - you can't trade a 1983 rookie or draft pick until the 1981 season ends.
- For players who missed 1977 in WIS, but were not rookies when they returned later, they go into the rookie draft pool when they return. They do not belong to a team first.

1986 Minnesota Twins (31 players available, need to choose the 25 keepers and cut 6 - suggested keepers/cuts below. The Twins also have a lot of guys who miss 1986 but will come back eligible as keepers later.)
Keepers:

		C	1986 Mark Salas	L	285	258	8	33	3-1	32-18	32.3	.233	.282	.384	C/B+	$1,944,489
		1B	1986 Kent Hrbek	L	634	550	29	91	2-2	81-71	19.0	.267	.353	.478	B/D+	$3,930,941
		2B	1986 Steve Lombardozzi	R	515	453	8	33	3-1	76-52	56.6	.227	.308	.347	A/D-	$2,288,904
		3B	1986 Gary Gaetti	R	661	596	34	108	14-15	108-52	17.5	.287	.347	.518	B/B+	$6,552,345
		SS	1986 Greg Gagne	R	524	472	12	54	12-10	108-30	39.3	.250	.301	.398	C/D-	$2,603,252
		OF	1986 Kirby Puckett	R	723	680	31	96	20-12	99-34	21.9	.328	.366	.537	B/A-	$7,620,932
		OF	1986 Tom Brunansky	R	655	593	23	75	12-4	98-53	25.8	.256	.315	.423	B/C-	$3,795,057
		OF	1986 Gary Ward	R	418	380	5	51	12-8	72-31	76.0	.316	.372	.405	A/B	$3,641,904
		OF	1986 Randy Bush	L	402	357	7	45	5-3	63-39	51.0	.269	.347	.420	C/D-	$2,142,250
		Util	1986 Roy Smalley	S	530	459	20	57	1-3	80-68	23.0	.246	.342	.438	D-/D-	$2,727,220
		OF	1986 Dan Gladden	R	402	351	4	29	27-10	59-39	87.8	.276	.357	.362	B+/A	$3,399,068
		2B	1986 Tim Teufel	R	318	279	4	31	1-2	42-32	69.8	.247	.324	.369	C/D-	$1,458,367
		C	1986 Tim Laudner	R	223	193	10	29	1-0	56-24	19.3	.244	.333	.451	C/C	$1,418,666

		SP	1986 Frank Viola	L	16-13-0	246	4.51	.268	1.38	7.00	3.04	1.36	191-83	$4,624,715
		SP/RP	1986 Jimmy Key	L	14-11-0	232	3.57	.256	1.28	5.47	2.87	0.93	141-74	$5,121,372
		SP/RP	1986 Ken Schrom	R	14-7-0	206	4.54	.271	1.29	3.80	2.14	1.49	87-49	$3,821,285
		SP/RP	1986 Rich Bordi	R	6-4-3	107	4.46	.254	1.36	6.98	3.45	1.09	83-41	$2,145,088
		SP/RP	1986 Doug Corbett	R	4-2-10	79	3.66	.231	1.12	4.12	2.52	1.26	36-22	$1,801,552
		SP/RP	1986 Tommy John	L	5-3-0	71	2.93	.275	1.25	3.57	1.91	1.02	28-15	$1,325,457
		SP/RP	1986 Vern Ruhle	R	1-3-1	48	4.15	.247	1.11	4.34	1.32	0.94	23-7	$1,088,733
		SP/RP	1986 Jay Howell	R	3-6-16	54	3.38	.262	1.43	7.09	3.88	0.51	42-23	$1,103,671
		SP/RP	1986 Ken Dayley	L	0-3-5	39	3.26	.275	1.37	7.68	2.56	0.23	33-11	$852,998
		SP/RP	1986 Allan Anderson	L	3-6-0	85	5.55	.316	1.61	5.44	3.20	1.17	51-30	$1,121,776
		SP/RP	1986 Mark Portugal	R	6-10-1	113	4.31	.265	1.44	5.35	3.99	0.80	67-50	$2,160,598
		SP/RP	1986 Carl Willis	R	1-3-0	53	4.47	.278	1.64	4.13	5.50	0.69	24-32	$751,736

Cuts:

C

1986 Jeff Reed

L

185

165

2

9

1-0

19-16

82.5

.236

.308

.321

A/B

$755,608

		2B	1986 Julio Cruz	S	256	209	0	19	7-2	28-42	209.0	.215	.343	.225	B+/D	$1,022,779
		OF	1986 Joel Youngblood	R	208	184	5	28	1-1	34-18	36.8	.255	.320	.402	A+/D-	$970,123
		OF	1986 Billy Beane	R	194	183	3	15	2-3	54-11	61.0	.213	.258	.295	A+/D-	$710,014
		OF	1986 Mark Davidson	R	77	68	0	2	2-3	22-6	68.0	.118	.189	.162	C+/D-	$200,753

SP/RP

1986 Tim Lollar

L

2-0-0

44

6.91

.304

1.98

5.86

7.12

1.47

28-34

$406,838

Injured Reserve:
Jim Eisenreich (returns in 1987 as DH)
Mark Grant (P, returns in 1987)
Alvaro Espinoza (returns in 1989 as SS)
Jerry Don Gleaton (P, returns in 1987)
Roy Smith (P, returns in 1988)
Lary Sorensen (P, returns in 1987)
Bruce Sutter (P, returns in 1988)
Pete Filson (P, returns in 1990, but not worth bothering with then)
Urbano Lugo (P, returns in 1987, but not worth bothering with then)

Could I take the Tigers but become the Yankees? This concept seems great but I need to feel connected and would not want to be the Tigers or Twins going forward. I do love the Yankees though.

Posted by 20ks on 10/21/2017 2:47:00 PM (view original):
Could I take the Tigers but become the Yankees? This concept seems great but I need to feel connected and would not want to be the Tigers or Twins going forward. I do love the Yankees though.

I'm afraid that would open up too much of a can of worms, especially since you were originally in this league with a different franchise. I can't remember if you gave a reason for leaving the league, or just disappeared - do you remember the reason? Searching the past forums, I just see that I advertised your Cubs franchise before the inaugural 1977 season when you were slow to enter the team or respond to sitemails, then you did enter the team for 1977, then had to be replaced for 1978. But I don't have an actual memory of any of those details, beyond recognizing the username.

That's cool. Good luck.

I have two teams in this league myself, Atlanta and Seattle. With a week to go in the season, they are in line to have the #1 and #2 picks in the 1986 draft (that has never happened before!). Unless they somehow make the playoffs (very unlikely), they're almost guaranteed of both being in the top 5. I'll trade their places with Detroit and Minnesota in the 1st round, to make those franchises more enticing for a new owner. Doug Drabek and Will Clark are probably the best players available, they are the ones I would have chosen for my teams.

These teams are taken