Posted by Benis on 10/7/2017 2:42:00 PM (view original):
For what it's worth - B prestige Penn St was also in on the battle for this guy and had a scholly offered.

So no, stewdog was not 'unchallenged'. sorry.

Apology accepted, but clarification needed. What were the considering levels of the teams involved in the battle? What were the odds? Offering a scholarship doesn’t mean they were battling for the recruit, or tell us how hard they battled. The D2 presumably set the price with all-in effort. How much did Penn St. bid?

The recruit in question also wanted success and the D2 has never been passed the S16

Posted by Benis on 10/7/2017 2:49:00 PM (view original):
A D2 team beating an ELITE D1 team for a recruit that they promised minutes to, did a campus visit and visited their home 7 times is illogical and unrealistic. If this game is supposed to simulate real life, then it's doing a poor job of it.

If you don't care about those things, then I guess you like this type of game.

You don’t seem to know what “illogical” means. I explained the logic above. It is based on very plain economics. Whether it’s realistic or not is a different question. Is it any less realistic than a team making the final four 8 years in a row? Unlikely. Is it less realistic than a valuable recruit going to an A+ team with no serious challenge from any other teams? Unlikely. Realism is fine, but not at the expense of gameplay, and it needs to be considered on the whole, not cherry-picked to suit your preferences.

I think it's unrealistic and bad for gameplay.

It's nice outside guys.

Posted by kcsundevil on 10/7/2017 3:00:00 PM (view original):
It's nice outside guys.

I just got my wisdom teeth out so I don't have sh!t to do except watch football and argue.

1- he wanted success. I was very good there. A+ D1 vs D2 average team whose never even been past s16.
2- he wanted to play, I was very good there with promised minutes. And he would play next year, too, not that it matters.
3- he wanted near home, I was closer than the D2 B+ team. Very high
4- he wanted longtime coach I've been at GT, arguably best D1 program over the last 50 seasons, for around 50 seasons. Very high.

I was the only team he was considering midway through recruiting session 1. Really.

Heres the kicker...
i wasn't even considered. I was at moderate.
For real.
And no I did not go all in. I was planning on putting more in the next cycle. Didn't get to.

campus visit.
7 home visits,
promised playing time, 15 minutes, from the beginning.

No considered.

Absolutley the reason this game sucks.
if you want to reward mediocrity, keep this up.
If you wanna make it unrealistic, keep this up.
If you want have a game with participation trophies and socialistic handouts, keep this up.

If you want this to "simulate" a "dynasty" and have coaches try to work there way up to have better programs you build... this is the literal opposite of what you do.

Posted by Benis on 10/7/2017 2:49:00 PM (view original):
A D2 team beating an ELITE D1 team for a recruit that they promised minutes to, did a campus visit and visited their home 7 times is illogical and unrealistic. If this game is supposed to simulate real life, then it's doing a poor job of it.

If you don't care about those things, then I guess you like this type of game.

Of this game simulated real life, stewdog wouldn't be complaining about his GaTech team as he wouldn't be there.

stewdog recruits 2 5***** + 1 4**** recruits & he stews over losing one..perhaps that one he lost was made an offer he could not refuse by some booster at that d2 school under the table..or maybe he didn't think he could compete at the academic level at gt..

In general I don't think a 3 star or better recruit should ever pick a D2 school over a D1 major school.

I don't like the old system of all the A prestige schools get to pick what recruits they want and all the B prestige schools get too pick the leftovers.

While the new system has flaws I would much rather improve the game within the framework of the new system compared to going back to the old system.

I like the use of "punish". It's a sim game. If you think WifS is dealing out punishment, you're taking it just a tad too serious.

Posted by stewdog on 10/7/2017 3:28:00 PM (view original):
1- he wanted success. I was very good there. A+ D1 vs D2 average team whose never even been past s16.
2- he wanted to play, I was very good there with promised minutes. And he would play next year, too, not that it matters.
3- he wanted near home, I was closer than the D2 B+ team. Very high
4- he wanted longtime coach I've been at GT, arguably best D1 program over the last 50 seasons, for around 50 seasons. Very high.

I was the only team he was considering midway through recruiting session 1. Really.

Heres the kicker...
i wasn't even considered. I was at moderate.
For real.
And no I did not go all in. I was planning on putting more in the next cycle. Didn't get to.

campus visit.
7 home visits,
promised playing time, 15 minutes, from the beginning.

No considered.

Absolutley the reason this game sucks.
if you want to reward mediocrity, keep this up.
If you wanna make it unrealistic, keep this up.
If you want have a game with participation trophies and socialistic handouts, keep this up.

If you want this to "simulate" a "dynasty" and have coaches try to work there way up to have better programs you build... this is the literal opposite of what you do.

The picture is getting clearer, but there are still other unknowns here. If I’m understanding, you put in some early attention, midway through RS1 you’re the only one on him, right? How many APs do you have on him at that point? Probably only took 25-30 to offer the scholarship, after which you could offer the minutes. Did you continue to invest APs, or move on to other targets? Also, when were the visits done and what was his signing preference?

If it’s true that you ended up out of signing range, I think one of two things happened, possibly a combination of both. 1) You were massively outspent in terms of APs, which may be true if you unlocked the actions and moved on, hoping to get him cheap. And/or 2) I suspect it’s possible that visits done by a trailing team don’t get counted when done on his signing cycle. I recall an instance where a recruit with an early signing tendency signed with a D2 on the first RS2 cycle when a D1 dropped an HV love bomb and theoretically should have knocked the D2 out; this was on an international recruit that the D2 should not have been able to remotely match visit effort on. This happened early after 3.0 release, but I don’t remember the specifics, or who it happened to. I remember encouraging to check with CS to see what happened, if that was a glitch, or intended; never heard back. It does surprise me that you were not even in signing range.

I'm sure I was outspent with AP's.
But really?

Shouldnt matter, at all. D1 A+ offering PT and CV, HVs and four very high preferences should always beat B+ D2 school. To not even be considered is absolutely crazy.

Posted by stewdog on 10/7/2017 4:53:00 PM (view original):
I'm sure I was outspent with AP's.
But really?

Shouldnt matter, at all. D1 A+ offering PT and CV, HVs and four very high preferences should always beat B+ D2 school. To not even be considered is absolutely crazy.

It is surprising, based on my experience, I would have expected that effort to bring you to at least roughly even with an all-in opponent that far below you. That’s why I’m asking, when was his signing preference, when did he sign, and when did you do the visits? If it really was APs, the difference had to be massive, like he’s all in and you pretty much stopped. I haven’t been involved in many battles where I got the impression that an AP differential was a significant factor, and I value APs less than most.

Posted by stewdog on 10/7/2017 4:53:00 PM (view original):
I'm sure I was outspent with AP's.
But really?

Shouldnt matter, at all. D1 A+ offering PT and CV, HVs and four very high preferences should always beat B+ D2 school. To not even be considered is absolutely crazy.

No, it shouldn't matter. The results are the exact opposite of what they should have been. You should have been Very High and the DII school should have been at Moderate.